Disasters Caused by 'SEED-FAITH'
Quote from Forum Archives on June 3, 2004, 3:20 pmPosted by: prophetic <prophetic@...>
NOTE: A number of tragic emails are below:
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From: <tapes@inspirational.org.nz>
Date sent: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:57:48 +1200Sometime during 2003 I received an email from a Nigerian
Pastor, asking for prayer. He was at a loss as to what to
tell his flock who were "exhorted" (that should be extorted)
by a travelling American evangelist to give money to God
(to him of course) and that God would return the amount
100 fold. Of course all the flock were in that poor and needy
bracket and they gave believing that God would meet their
financial needs. Sick!So the Evangelist departs with all the money and the poor
Pastor is left to explain to God's people why God has not
honoured their giving. They gave their food money and rent
money believing God would replace it - the result was
hungry, homeless people, more misery created by man in
God's name. My only advice was never never never never
allow these guys anywhere near your people and to teach
that our giving should not be to create a debt with God.
-Jeff Leigh.
*****************From: unity77@juno.com
I have a relative who was in dire financial need to help pay
for a utility bill that was going to be shut off. She contacted
TBN founders seeking for a small donation to help pay her
utility bill, they told her that they do not help in this way.
They would pray that she can get the financial help she
needs She had sent in hundreds of dollars over the years
to support this TBN Station, but when it was time for her to
get help which was less than $100.00 she needed, after
this she has not sent anymore money to fund them.She had sent hundreds of dollars to these preachers on
TBN who preach 'If you send this amount of money to them,
depending on the amount of money they sent they would
be blessed some 30, 60 or 100 fold. She sent money
because she wanted to be blessed with money in return
not to submit to the Lord in the spirit of love, and humility.
She just wanted to get money back. And this is happening
in the lives of so many saints of God.-Sister Cotia.
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I want to say in response to this that my husband and I fell
for this message...hook, line and sinker. We are now in
such a financial mess only God can rescue us! We once
gave $1000.00 for a TV minister's airplane that we really
needed for our own bills. We were told by him how
anointed he was and that we were guranteed the help we
need if we help buy his airplane for ministry. Well, needless
to say no help came. We have had more financial problems
in the past four years because of our blindness... our
willingness to accept this as the truth. God woke us up a
year ago after falling on our faces and repenting. We are
still in a huge struggle and hope to not go bankrupt. We
have credit card debt that is insurmountable.We are told by these men if it isn't working we are the ones
at fault...we aren't giving enough...or we have sin in our lives....
"our cloud is not full enough" so we need to give more so
that "once it is filled up it will rain".The Lord has kept us from drowning and like I said before
our only hope is in Him. God help us and save us from this
mess we ourselves have created.-B.E.
*****************From: Kgoldenk7@aol.com
There are a couple more 'gimmicks' that TV preachers are
using currently to get money out of their audiences. Usually
you will see one start using a technique and then soon
enough many others are getting on the 'bandwagon'.When the Christian TV stations have 'telethons'' they will
have guest preachers come on to help stir up the people to
give. One such man of long Christian standing spoke of how
much he had given God the previous year. On TV he went
on to say how he was glad that he gave that much since
his wife had gotten cancer that year and they had already
'sown' into the Kingdom of God (talking about money).
Evidently God healed his wife 'because they had given
MONEY'....He was VERY clear what he meant...If you have
a physical need such as healing, give money and God will
heal you....SICK! Where does Jesus say this? He gave
command to the disciples: FREELY YOU HAVE RECEIVED,
FREELY GIVE".Another fund raising tactic is this: If you will become a
'partner' of the ministry, say for $20 a month, you will not
only receive their 'trinket' gift, but you will also RECEIVE
THE ANOINTING that is on that particular ministry....Well,
no need to be in God's presence anymore for the anointing,
just send in your monthly pledge and you will have it!I for one will never again give to ministries that support the
extravagant lifestyles of the jetsetters of the Christian faith,
or to build bigger and lavish buildings, etc. My giving now
goes to the poor in some manner, or when we hear of a
need somewhere....In the late '70's I had a dream which I have watched the
'fulfillment of it' since then. The dream is this: " I was in a
room as a spectator.. In the room was a girl which I knew
to be about the age of puberty.. There was a door to the
room and a bed in the room. A knock came on the door
and the girl opened the door willingly. A man stood there,
dressed in the best tailored, expensive suit that one could
buy.. He was SO physically attractive that I FELT the
PULL from him, even tho neither the girl or he was aware of
my presence. But when I looked in his face, altho there was
'attractiveness', I felt also a great sense of evil coming from
beneath the surface of his face...It was horribly frightening to
the point that I couldn't breath, or move.....Just watch..... He
came into the room and proceeded to 'rape' the girl on the
bed.. I did not see the actual act, I only saw head and
shoulders in the prone position... While I watched the
HORROR of it the girl's head turned toward me so slowly,
and she looked me right in the eyes. Her eyes were SO
SAD, I could see to the very depth of her...the pain and
agony - I felt it too...Pleading for it to stop, yet submitting to
it all the same... The man stood up and straightening his
tie, he became aware of me. He walked around the bed and
put his hand on my back with pressure to press me down...
Then I woke up and the first thought that came to my mind,
I said out of my mouth: "I have witnessed the rape of the church".-Karen B.
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Posted by: prophetic <prophetic@...>
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From: <tapes@inspirational.org.nz>
Date sent: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:57:48 +1200
Sometime during 2003 I received an email from a Nigerian
Pastor, asking for prayer. He was at a loss as to what to
tell his flock who were "exhorted" (that should be extorted)
by a travelling American evangelist to give money to God
(to him of course) and that God would return the amount
100 fold. Of course all the flock were in that poor and needy
bracket and they gave believing that God would meet their
financial needs. Sick!
So the Evangelist departs with all the money and the poor
Pastor is left to explain to God's people why God has not
honoured their giving. They gave their food money and rent
money believing God would replace it - the result was
hungry, homeless people, more misery created by man in
God's name. My only advice was never never never never
allow these guys anywhere near your people and to teach
that our giving should not be to create a debt with God.
-Jeff Leigh.
*****************
From: unity77@juno.com
I have a relative who was in dire financial need to help pay
for a utility bill that was going to be shut off. She contacted
TBN founders seeking for a small donation to help pay her
utility bill, they told her that they do not help in this way.
They would pray that she can get the financial help she
needs She had sent in hundreds of dollars over the years
to support this TBN Station, but when it was time for her to
get help which was less than $100.00 she needed, after
this she has not sent anymore money to fund them.
She had sent hundreds of dollars to these preachers on
TBN who preach 'If you send this amount of money to them,
depending on the amount of money they sent they would
be blessed some 30, 60 or 100 fold. She sent money
because she wanted to be blessed with money in return
not to submit to the Lord in the spirit of love, and humility.
She just wanted to get money back. And this is happening
in the lives of so many saints of God.
-Sister Cotia.
******************
From:
I want to say in response to this that my husband and I fell
for this message...hook, line and sinker. We are now in
such a financial mess only God can rescue us! We once
gave $1000.00 for a TV minister's airplane that we really
needed for our own bills. We were told by him how
anointed he was and that we were guranteed the help we
need if we help buy his airplane for ministry. Well, needless
to say no help came. We have had more financial problems
in the past four years because of our blindness... our
willingness to accept this as the truth. God woke us up a
year ago after falling on our faces and repenting. We are
still in a huge struggle and hope to not go bankrupt. We
have credit card debt that is insurmountable.
We are told by these men if it isn't working we are the ones
at fault...we aren't giving enough...or we have sin in our lives....
"our cloud is not full enough" so we need to give more so
that "once it is filled up it will rain".
The Lord has kept us from drowning and like I said before
our only hope is in Him. God help us and save us from this
mess we ourselves have created.
-B.E.
*****************
From: Kgoldenk7@aol.com
There are a couple more 'gimmicks' that TV preachers are
using currently to get money out of their audiences. Usually
you will see one start using a technique and then soon
enough many others are getting on the 'bandwagon'.
When the Christian TV stations have 'telethons'' they will
have guest preachers come on to help stir up the people to
give. One such man of long Christian standing spoke of how
much he had given God the previous year. On TV he went
on to say how he was glad that he gave that much since
his wife had gotten cancer that year and they had already
'sown' into the Kingdom of God (talking about money).
Evidently God healed his wife 'because they had given
MONEY'....He was VERY clear what he meant...If you have
a physical need such as healing, give money and God will
heal you....SICK! Where does Jesus say this? He gave
command to the disciples: FREELY YOU HAVE RECEIVED,
FREELY GIVE".
Another fund raising tactic is this: If you will become a
'partner' of the ministry, say for $20 a month, you will not
only receive their 'trinket' gift, but you will also RECEIVE
THE ANOINTING that is on that particular ministry....Well,
no need to be in God's presence anymore for the anointing,
just send in your monthly pledge and you will have it!
I for one will never again give to ministries that support the
extravagant lifestyles of the jetsetters of the Christian faith,
or to build bigger and lavish buildings, etc. My giving now
goes to the poor in some manner, or when we hear of a
need somewhere....
In the late '70's I had a dream which I have watched the
'fulfillment of it' since then. The dream is this: " I was in a
room as a spectator.. In the room was a girl which I knew
to be about the age of puberty.. There was a door to the
room and a bed in the room. A knock came on the door
and the girl opened the door willingly. A man stood there,
dressed in the best tailored, expensive suit that one could
buy.. He was SO physically attractive that I FELT the
PULL from him, even tho neither the girl or he was aware of
my presence. But when I looked in his face, altho there was
'attractiveness', I felt also a great sense of evil coming from
beneath the surface of his face...It was horribly frightening to
the point that I couldn't breath, or move.....Just watch..... He
came into the room and proceeded to 'rape' the girl on the
bed.. I did not see the actual act, I only saw head and
shoulders in the prone position... While I watched the
HORROR of it the girl's head turned toward me so slowly,
and she looked me right in the eyes. Her eyes were SO
SAD, I could see to the very depth of her...the pain and
agony - I felt it too...Pleading for it to stop, yet submitting to
it all the same... The man stood up and straightening his
tie, he became aware of me. He walked around the bed and
put his hand on my back with pressure to press me down...
Then I woke up and the first thought that came to my mind,
I said out of my mouth: "I have witnessed the rape of the church".
-Karen B.
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