Fw: Help! (really affirmation)

#1 · May 2, 2002, 12:45 am

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Posted by: revkbrown <revkbrown@...>

From: Revkenneth Brown

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:40 PM

To: pastormail@welovegod.orggeorge.davidson1@virgin.net; pastormail mail

Subject: Re: [PastorMail] Help! (really affirmation)

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20.

Brother you are doing the right thing. I applaud you and the spirit in which you have done this. How we need more men of standard in our pulpits today. Your stance will not only save her but it will make others think twice about shacking up with someone. Yes, she is defensive because of her guilt. You've provided good scriptural reasons for your actions. Stand on the Word preacher!

As for the Deacon, he needs to be retrained and shown from scripture why you are taking the approach. Don't allow liberal thinking ruin your church brother.

If she leaves, God will replace her with someone else who is just as gifted if not more. If the Deacon leaves, God will replace him as well. If you compromise, God will raise up another pastor.

Stand on the Word preacher, stand on the Word!

----- Original Message -----

From: george.davidson1

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:37 AM

To: pastormail@welovegod.org

Subject: RE: [PastorMail] Help! (really affirmation)

Pastor Mayne you have a difficult task on your hand. If the person you are speaking about has a genuine relationship with Christ, she obviously lacks the understand of Christ's teaching on sin. You may direct her to the 12 chapter of Hebrews, where the writer discusses the discipline of God, with regards to his children. If she does not respond to the teaching you will need to take action to remove her from the leadership of the church. If the sin is deliberate you have no other option. I suggest you also deal with the attitude of the Deacon, in a teaching context, explaining the meaning of love, from God's point of view.

God bless your effort.

Love in Christ, Pastor George

Trust in yourself and you are doomed to disappointment.

Trust in your friends and they will die and leave you.

Trust in money and you may have it taken away from you.

Trust in reputation and some slanderous tongues will blast it.

But trust in God and you are never to be confounded in time and eternity.

--D. L. Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Mayne [mailto:howardm@southcrest.org]
Sent: 30 April 2002 22:08
To: pastormail@welovegod.org
Subject: [PastorMail] Help! (really affirmation)

I don't really know where to begin. I have got a situation that is heavy on my heart, I feel sure I'm doing the right thing, but things are starting to look bad. I hope this does not fall into the category of gossip, but I don't know where else to go for help or support. I have a situation involving my instrumentalist, moving in with a man outside the bounds of marriage. I approached her concerning this situation and she became very defensive, denying the entire thing. Her daughter who is three years old made mention of their "new roommate" and how sometimes she sleeps with her mom and him. So I have a feeling the situation truly exists.

I went to a deacon and asked if he would accompany me to deal with it. He refused saying that we need to remember that our mission is to love, encourage, and teach, not to judge. I reminded him about what Christ said in Matthew 18, what Paul had to say about sexual misconduct in 1 Corinthians 5, and the whole situation has blown up in my face. Somehow (and I think I know) the whole thing has become known to certain individuals in the church. People have decided that I am trying to condemn her and throw her out of the church, which is not the case.

I want to help her see the error of her ways, what the possibilities of the damage to the church, herself, and her daughter could be, and the fact that a relationship that is not proper in the eyes of the Lord is doomed to failure, I want to lead her back into a right relationship with God, not just throw her out.

I wish people could see that I have not made the decision lightly. I know if all of this goes bad, I will lose a friend, besides an instrumentalist. But in my eyes, she is a leader in worship and she can't continue in this area as long as she is in an inappropriate relationship. There has to be some accountability. What kind of message do we send if we live our lives no different from the world?

I agree we are to love, encourage etc., but turning our heads as if we don't see is not love, it is enabling. It is almost embracing secular humanism. Don't people understand how letting sin go without confronting it affects the church. Look how it has already begun! I refuse to bury my head in the sand. I have got a sinking feeling about this whole mess.I have lost much sleep over what I see as the blindness of some of the people, so I hope all of this makes sense. Please help.

Howard Mayne

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Posted by: revkbrown <revkbrown@...>

From: Revkenneth Brown

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:40 PM

To: pastormail@welovegod.orggeorge.davidson1@virgin.net; pastormail mail

Subject: Re: [PastorMail] Help! (really affirmation)

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20.

Brother you are doing the right thing. I applaud you and the spirit in which you have done this. How we need more men of standard in our pulpits today. Your stance will not only save her but it will make others think twice about shacking up with someone. Yes, she is defensive because of her guilt. You've provided good scriptural reasons for your actions. Stand on the Word preacher!

As for the Deacon, he needs to be retrained and shown from scripture why you are taking the approach. Don't allow liberal thinking ruin your church brother.

If she leaves, God will replace her with someone else who is just as gifted if not more. If the Deacon leaves, God will replace him as well. If you compromise, God will raise up another pastor.

Stand on the Word preacher, stand on the Word!

----- Original Message -----

From: george.davidson1

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:37 AM

To: pastormail@welovegod.org

Subject: RE: [PastorMail] Help! (really affirmation)

Pastor Mayne you have a difficult task on your hand. If the person you are speaking about has a genuine relationship with Christ, she obviously lacks the understand of Christ's teaching on sin. You may direct her to the 12 chapter of Hebrews, where the writer discusses the discipline of God, with regards to his children. If she does not respond to the teaching you will need to take action to remove her from the leadership of the church. If the sin is deliberate you have no other option. I suggest you also deal with the attitude of the Deacon, in a teaching context, explaining the meaning of love, from God's point of view.

God bless your effort.

Love in Christ, Pastor George

Trust in yourself and you are doomed to disappointment.

Trust in your friends and they will die and leave you.

Trust in money and you may have it taken away from you.

Trust in reputation and some slanderous tongues will blast it.

But trust in God and you are never to be confounded in time and eternity.

--D. L. Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Mayne [mailto:howardm@southcrest.org]
Sent: 30 April 2002 22:08
To: pastormail@welovegod.org
Subject: [PastorMail] Help! (really affirmation)

I don't really know where to begin. I have got a situation that is heavy on my heart, I feel sure I'm doing the right thing, but things are starting to look bad. I hope this does not fall into the category of gossip, but I don't know where else to go for help or support. I have a situation involving my instrumentalist, moving in with a man outside the bounds of marriage. I approached her concerning this situation and she became very defensive, denying the entire thing. Her daughter who is three years old made mention of their "new roommate" and how sometimes she sleeps with her mom and him. So I have a feeling the situation truly exists.

I went to a deacon and asked if he would accompany me to deal with it. He refused saying that we need to remember that our mission is to love, encourage, and teach, not to judge. I reminded him about what Christ said in Matthew 18, what Paul had to say about sexual misconduct in 1 Corinthians 5, and the whole situation has blown up in my face. Somehow (and I think I know) the whole thing has become known to certain individuals in the church. People have decided that I am trying to condemn her and throw her out of the church, which is not the case.

I want to help her see the error of her ways, what the possibilities of the damage to the church, herself, and her daughter could be, and the fact that a relationship that is not proper in the eyes of the Lord is doomed to failure, I want to lead her back into a right relationship with God, not just throw her out.

I wish people could see that I have not made the decision lightly. I know if all of this goes bad, I will lose a friend, besides an instrumentalist. But in my eyes, she is a leader in worship and she can't continue in this area as long as she is in an inappropriate relationship. There has to be some accountability. What kind of message do we send if we live our lives no different from the world?

I agree we are to love, encourage etc., but turning our heads as if we don't see is not love, it is enabling. It is almost embracing secular humanism. Don't people understand how letting sin go without confronting it affects the church. Look how it has already begun! I refuse to bury my head in the sand. I have got a sinking feeling about this whole mess.I have lost much sleep over what I see as the blindness of some of the people, so I hope all of this makes sense. Please help.

Howard Mayne

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