Re: Single output and 2 separate bass cabs

#1 · June 30, 2017, 1:11 pm

Quote from Forum Archives on June 30, 2017, 1:11 pm
Posted by: meyerwh <meyerwh@...>

I just bought an Epifani Picollo amp which I really like but it only has one speaker output and I have 2 1 x 10's that have only one input jack so I can't daisy chain them? Any suggestions? Any type of direct box like connector that I can use to split the signal from the output of the head? Add a jack to one of the cabinets?

Bill Meyer

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Marc Miller <prezbass@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Latency is rarely, if ever, related to DAW software. That is almost always
> a function of the audio driver. If you are running Windows, you'll want to
> make sure that your audio card is ASIO compliant, and use DAW software that
> can use that driver. I don't believe that Audacity can use ASIO, but I
> might be wrong about that. If your audio device doesn't have an ASIO
> driver, you might be able to use ASIO4All (Google it) to wrap your current
> WDM driver. Most onboard soundcards are not ASIO compatible, and ASIO4All
> doesn't always "get you out of jail" here.
>
> Once you have an ASIO compatible audio device, you will need to drop block
> size (sometimes known as "buffers") as low as it can go. The buffer is how
> much RAM can be used on the system before the driver "pages out to disk" for
> the audio stream. Since disks are MUCH slower than RAM, a low buffer can
> cause dropouts when the system is taxed (like lots of tracks, synths, etc)
> and higher buffer sizes cause lots of latency. You have to find the balance
> here. Higher sample rates also cause the buffer to fill quicker, but again-
> this is rarely the DAW software that causes this.
>
> If you're using a Mac, then the process is similar, but you don't have
> control of block sizes like you do in a PC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: churchbass@welovegod.org [mailto:churchbass@welovegod.org] On Behalf
> Of Bill Meyer
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:01 AM
> To: churchbass@welovegod.org
> Subject: Re: [CB] Home Recording
>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> I will have to check if I am using the freebie Studio One or the Studio One
> Artist. It came bundled with the USB interface.
>
> I use audacity to convert WAV files to MP3 which works out well. I take
> improv lessons from Garry Dial that way.
>
> My biggest challenge is latency when overdubbing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Marc Miller <prezbass@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ProTools? Don't do it. It is a steep learning curve, and the
>> software - while a standard in most pro studios - is absolutely hot
>> garbage. It's VERY buggy and a very poor performer unless you are on
>> a very high-end Mac. (The PC versions of PT are notoriously bad.)
>>
>> I would suggest that if you want something simple, you can continue to
>> use Audacity- it will do what you want. If you need something a
>> little more powerful, then go with either Reaper or Presonus Studio
>> One Artist. (Don't bother with the freebie version of Studio One)
>> With Studio One Artist, you'll have to buy the "export to MP3" add-on
>> if you want to render those directly from Studio One, but you could
>> render .WAV from it and convert to MP3 with Audacity.
>>
>> Both Studio One and Reaper are 100% compliant on either Mac or PC, too.
>>
>>> On 5/25/17, Bill Meyer <meyerwh@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I want to get a little more serious about home recording. Not
>>> necessarily professional quality, but I want to overdub bass and
>>> keyboards for practice tracks, composition and demos.
>>>
>>> I have been using PreSounus and Audacity (just for export to mp3s).
>>> I have been thinking about Pro Tools, but it seems like a steep learning
> curve.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Bill Meyer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Marc Miller <prezbass@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh, man- you're in my wheelhouse now.
>>>>
>>>> Interface- this is gonna depend mightily on how many channels you
>>>> want to record at once, but regardless of that, I would suggest that
>>>> you stay away from the following, as they are problematic for all
>>>> platforms (Windows or
>>>> Mac)
>>>>
>>>> Presonus VSL series
>>>> Tascam US series
>>>> Anything by Line 6
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, Focusrite makes great interfaces that are solid
>>>> and not that expensive. Check out the 2i2 or the 2i4 (if you need
>>>> MIDI) or the 18i20. VERY good stuff and easily found.
>>>>
>>>> Now- effects. That's a whole bag of worms. I would suggest that
>>>> you start out with Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) software that
>>>> comes with effects. There's a ton out there, but I would say start
>>>> out with either Reaper (www.reaper.fm) or Presonus Studio One
>>>> (www.presonus.com). Each of them have a ton of effects
>>>> processors built in.
>>>>
>>>> For your desktop computer, there's a couple things you really need
>>>> to pay attention to:
>>>> RAM- you want at least 8GB to be able to record anything with a
>>>> track count > 8 tracks.
>>>> Hard drive speed- this is where latency really becomes a big factor
>>>> since audio is streamed from the hard disk. You need at least a
>>>> 7200RPM mechanical drive, and an SSD is optimal.
>>>> Operating System- you want to use a 64 bit version of your operating
>>>> system. The reason is that no matter how much RAM your system has,
>>>> if you are running a 32-bit version, you only have access to a
>>>> maximum of 3GB, PERIOD. There is no way around this, and that
>>>> applies equally to Macs as well as PCs. Some people will tell you
>>>> that there are hacks to get above 3GB, but that is not true, and
>>>> those hacks will make your machine extremely unstable.
>>>> Also- since you are on Windows, make sure that any interface you do
>>>> get has an ASIO driver available. (Most do these days) There is an
>>>> ASIO wrapper out called Asio4All that can be used, but don't do it-
>>>> it's a kludge fest and doesn't work very well.
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Bob Fuss <lone.rhino@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> This is part discussion oriented, and part request to see if
>>>>> someone has something laying around un-utilized which they want to
> sell.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking for recommendations on budget friendly options for
>>>>> effects for my son (who does play bass sometimes, but is primarily
>>>>> drawn to guitar...where did I go wrong?).
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of people have recommended using PC based products for
> effects.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) What do you all recommend in the budget friendly zone for USB
>>>>> interfaces? (And does someone have one they'd like to sell?)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) What do you all recommend for the processing/effects software? I
>>>>> see that there are a number of freebies out there. I can get specs
>>>>> for my home desktop system, which he would be using, as I know that
>>>>> latency can be an issue there if that affects your recommendations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
>>>>> churchbass-unsubscribe@welovegod.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe from digests, send ANY message to
>>>>>
>>>>> <churchbass-digest-unsubscribe@welovegod.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -Marc Miller
>>>> prezbass@gmail.com
>>>> www.eadgpoet.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *-Marc Miller*
>> prezbass@gmail.com
>> www.eadgpoet.com

Posted by: meyerwh <meyerwh@...>

I just bought an Epifani Picollo amp which I really like but it only has one speaker output and I have 2 1 x 10's that have only one input jack so I can't daisy chain them? Any suggestions? Any type of direct box like connector that I can use to split the signal from the output of the head? Add a jack to one of the cabinets?

Bill Meyer

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Marc Miller <prezbass@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Latency is rarely, if ever, related to DAW software. That is almost always
> a function of the audio driver. If you are running Windows, you'll want to
> make sure that your audio card is ASIO compliant, and use DAW software that
> can use that driver. I don't believe that Audacity can use ASIO, but I
> might be wrong about that. If your audio device doesn't have an ASIO
> driver, you might be able to use ASIO4All (Google it) to wrap your current
> WDM driver. Most onboard soundcards are not ASIO compatible, and ASIO4All
> doesn't always "get you out of jail" here.
>
> Once you have an ASIO compatible audio device, you will need to drop block
> size (sometimes known as "buffers") as low as it can go. The buffer is how
> much RAM can be used on the system before the driver "pages out to disk" for
> the audio stream. Since disks are MUCH slower than RAM, a low buffer can
> cause dropouts when the system is taxed (like lots of tracks, synths, etc)
> and higher buffer sizes cause lots of latency. You have to find the balance
> here. Higher sample rates also cause the buffer to fill quicker, but again-
> this is rarely the DAW software that causes this.
>
> If you're using a Mac, then the process is similar, but you don't have
> control of block sizes like you do in a PC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: churchbass@welovegod.org [mailto:churchbass@welovegod.org] On Behalf
> Of Bill Meyer
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:01 AM
> To: churchbass@welovegod.org
> Subject: Re: [CB] Home Recording
>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> I will have to check if I am using the freebie Studio One or the Studio One
> Artist. It came bundled with the USB interface.
>
> I use audacity to convert WAV files to MP3 which works out well. I take
> improv lessons from Garry Dial that way.
>
> My biggest challenge is latency when overdubbing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Marc Miller <prezbass@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ProTools? Don't do it. It is a steep learning curve, and the
>> software - while a standard in most pro studios - is absolutely hot
>> garbage. It's VERY buggy and a very poor performer unless you are on
>> a very high-end Mac. (The PC versions of PT are notoriously bad.)
>>
>> I would suggest that if you want something simple, you can continue to
>> use Audacity- it will do what you want. If you need something a
>> little more powerful, then go with either Reaper or Presonus Studio
>> One Artist. (Don't bother with the freebie version of Studio One)
>> With Studio One Artist, you'll have to buy the "export to MP3" add-on
>> if you want to render those directly from Studio One, but you could
>> render .WAV from it and convert to MP3 with Audacity.
>>
>> Both Studio One and Reaper are 100% compliant on either Mac or PC, too.
>>
>>> On 5/25/17, Bill Meyer <meyerwh@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I want to get a little more serious about home recording. Not
>>> necessarily professional quality, but I want to overdub bass and
>>> keyboards for practice tracks, composition and demos.
>>>
>>> I have been using PreSounus and Audacity (just for export to mp3s).
>>> I have been thinking about Pro Tools, but it seems like a steep learning
> curve.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Bill Meyer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Marc Miller <prezbass@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh, man- you're in my wheelhouse now.
>>>>
>>>> Interface- this is gonna depend mightily on how many channels you
>>>> want to record at once, but regardless of that, I would suggest that
>>>> you stay away from the following, as they are problematic for all
>>>> platforms (Windows or
>>>> Mac)
>>>>
>>>> Presonus VSL series
>>>> Tascam US series
>>>> Anything by Line 6
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, Focusrite makes great interfaces that are solid
>>>> and not that expensive. Check out the 2i2 or the 2i4 (if you need
>>>> MIDI) or the 18i20. VERY good stuff and easily found.
>>>>
>>>> Now- effects. That's a whole bag of worms. I would suggest that
>>>> you start out with Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) software that
>>>> comes with effects. There's a ton out there, but I would say start
>>>> out with either Reaper (http://www.reaper.fm) or Presonus Studio One
>>>> (http://www.presonus.com). Each of them have a ton of effects
>>>> processors built in.
>>>>
>>>> For your desktop computer, there's a couple things you really need
>>>> to pay attention to:
>>>> RAM- you want at least 8GB to be able to record anything with a
>>>> track count > 8 tracks.
>>>> Hard drive speed- this is where latency really becomes a big factor
>>>> since audio is streamed from the hard disk. You need at least a
>>>> 7200RPM mechanical drive, and an SSD is optimal.
>>>> Operating System- you want to use a 64 bit version of your operating
>>>> system. The reason is that no matter how much RAM your system has,
>>>> if you are running a 32-bit version, you only have access to a
>>>> maximum of 3GB, PERIOD. There is no way around this, and that
>>>> applies equally to Macs as well as PCs. Some people will tell you
>>>> that there are hacks to get above 3GB, but that is not true, and
>>>> those hacks will make your machine extremely unstable.
>>>> Also- since you are on Windows, make sure that any interface you do
>>>> get has an ASIO driver available. (Most do these days) There is an
>>>> ASIO wrapper out called Asio4All that can be used, but don't do it-
>>>> it's a kludge fest and doesn't work very well.
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Bob Fuss <lone.rhino@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> This is part discussion oriented, and part request to see if
>>>>> someone has something laying around un-utilized which they want to
> sell.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking for recommendations on budget friendly options for
>>>>> effects for my son (who does play bass sometimes, but is primarily
>>>>> drawn to guitar...where did I go wrong?).
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of people have recommended using PC based products for
> effects.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) What do you all recommend in the budget friendly zone for USB
>>>>> interfaces? (And does someone have one they'd like to sell?)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) What do you all recommend for the processing/effects software? I
>>>>> see that there are a number of freebies out there. I can get specs
>>>>> for my home desktop system, which he would be using, as I know that
>>>>> latency can be an issue there if that affects your recommendations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
>>>>> churchbass-unsubscribe@welovegod.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe from digests, send ANY message to
>>>>>
>>>>> <churchbass-digest-unsubscribe@welovegod.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -Marc Miller
>>>> prezbass@gmail.com
>>>> http://www.eadgpoet.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
>>>> churchbass-unsubscribe@welovegod.org
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>
>>> --
>>> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to:
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *-Marc Miller*
>> prezbass@gmail.com
>> http://www.eadgpoet.com