Re: Re: Minnesota Meetings
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From: Bill <[email protected]>
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Subject: [CCMag] Re: Minnesota Meetings
> This a report of the meetings we had in Northern Minnesota last weekend. I
believe they were prophetic and significant for the whole "Body of Christ"
> Bill Grogan
>
> A SPY'S REPORT FROM MINNESOTA
>
> Diane Bahler
> June 13, 2000
> [email protected]
>
> I have seen the "Promised Land" and I'm back to report that it is a
> GOOD
> LAND! There may be giants there but the only thing I could see was
> Jesus so
> they should not keep us from "crossing over." Once you have tasted the
> milk
> and honey you will never want to go back to Egypt!
>
> The Lord told me a couple of months ago to be in northern Minnesota
> during
> Pentecost/Shavuot this year. I have a friend there named Dennis Meyer
> ([email protected]). Last summer the Lord put me together with
> Denny and three
> other people to pray at the headwaters of the Mississippi River. The
> Lord
> has been speaking to Denny for many years about northern Minnesota
> being a
> "sheep gate" - a place of revival and rebuilding the body of Christ. I
told
> Denny I was coming up (I live in Indiana) and about two weeks ago he
> felt led
> to put out the word that there was going to be a meeting at Big Sandy
> Lake.
>
> I think there were about 80 people there from as far away as North
> Dakota,
> South Dakota and Indiana. I'm not sure how they heard about it but one
> thing
> is for sure, they were there because the Spirit of the Lord had drawn
> them
> there. There were no "names" to draw them and the only "agenda" was
> to wait
> on the Lord and to seek His face. I think we were all "cave dwellers"
> who
> heard in our spirit that our king was going to be there so we went down
> to
> him there.
>
> David left Gath and escaped to the cave of Adullam. When his brothers
> and
> his father's household heard about it, they went down to him there. All
> those who were in distress or in debt or discontented gathered around
> him,
> and he became their leader. (1Samuel: 22:1-2)
>
> I arrived at Big Sandy Friday afternoon (June 9) and some of the first to
> arrive that evening were The Firestarters - a worship band consisting of
> young Davids (male and female) ranging in age from about 14 to 19 I
> think.
> Pete Thiel and his wife Pam were their mentors. Since there was no one
> running the show so to speak, other than the Lord we got off to a slow
> start
> but by 11 p.m. we were worshipping and praising the Lord. I mention
> the slow
> start because I think the Lord was teaching us new ways of doing things
> and
> one of those things is to not get stressed out when things don't seem to
be
> completely organized and efficient. The Lord was in charge and HE had
> a
> plan. We need to learn to relax and wait on HIM to put things together.
>
> It was worth the wait because the Lord's Presence showed up and spoke
> many
> things to us. One of the things He said was that this weekend was a
> spark
> and that He was going to blow a hot, dry wind on it and turn it into a
> raging
> fire that would spread outward. We have seen in our spirits fire
> spreading
> down the Mississippi River but later someone said that Minnesota is the
> only
> state where all the rivers flow outward. We believe the Lord is going to
> send His fire out from Minnesota just like the rivers flow outwardly. The
> rest of the evening was spent praying for the Firestarters and the other
> young people. The Lord seemed to be saying that each one had an
> aspect of
> David and that together they would have the authority of David against
> powers
> and principalities in worship and warfare. Another thing I saw that
> evening
> in my spirit was the Lord dancing. He was whirling around and there was
> a
> look of such joy and delight on His face. He was there and He was
> having a
> GREAT time.
>
> The next day more of the "discontented and distressed" started showing
> up.
> We were supposed to start around 1 p.m. but I think it was closer to
> around 2
> p.m. when we finally started assembling. The Firestarters led us in
> worship
> and the Lord just began to move in His people. An intercessory cry
> came out
> for HIS PRESENCE and nothing else. We weren't there to wait for
> teaching or
> ministry time. We there to wait on HIM and nothing else was going to
> satisfy. Different people were led to share prophetic words or words of
> encouragement. Prophetic songs came forth. The morning was summed
> up with a
> word of wisdom from Pastor Bill Grogan from Pengilly. He talked about
> the
> "lively stones" and that was exactly what we were seeing the Lord doing.
> We
> were all lively stones because Jesus was living in each of us and moving
in
> each of us. No stone looked like another. Each had it's own place in the
> body but as we allowed Jesus to live in us, each one contributing the
> piece
> He had given us, we began to come together as a solid wall.
>
> I thought about it later and the stones for Solomon's temple were chiseled
> in
> the quarry and there was no sound of the hammer when they were fitted
> together. I think all these "stones" that had come together had already
> had
> plenty of hammering done on them. They had already been chiseled by
> hardships and persecutions, by the religious hammers of the current
> church
> structure, by the Spirit of the Lord. When they came together they were
> ready to be fit together. They didn't need to beat each other up with
envy
> or fear or control. They just wanted to BE who they are in the Lord and
> were
> able to let others just BE what they are in the Lord. With the grace to
> just
> BE, the Lord was able to let HIS life move through them and fit them
> together
> in unity.
>
> This meeting would have looked like their worse nightmare to someone
> from the
> religious community. They would have thought it was chaotic and
> disorderly,
> lacking in leadership and accountability. But the amazing thing was there
> was perfect order. Everything fit together in a divine harmony that could
> have been orchestrated only by the Spirit. Jesus was the head of His
> body,
> the Spirit was the electricity connecting the synapses.. We were just
> responding to His leading - one with a dance, one with a song, one with a
> word, etc. And there were leaders there - elders by virtue of their
battle
> scars - overseers who mostly stayed in the background and let the Spirit
> move, occasionally giving a word of wisdom or direction, but never
> lording
> over the people or usurping the leadership of the Spirit.
>
> We took a break in the afternoon and the Lord spontaneously put
> together a
> "war council" while we sat in the cafeteria munching on candy bars.
> People
> who had never met each other before that day found themselves sitting at
> the
> same table sharing pieces of information the Lord had given them over the
> years about a strategic location for spiritual warfare. Information,
timing
> and strategies came together effortlessly as they prayed together and the
> Spirit just put the pieces together. It was amazing.
>
> Later in the afternoon we gathered for worship again. The worship team
> was
> from a variety of places. Many who had never played and sang together
> before.
> Things began to flow. After a lengthy time of worship the worship leader
> felt
> she was an empty vessel, with nothing more to give. There was a period
> of
> waiting---uncomfortable in many places. Then a beautiful song of the
> Lord
> came forth. Then more prophetic words. Then the worship started again
> and the
> "empty" vessel was filled again.
>
> That session finished with a drum circle where everyone got in a circle
> and
> we started making music together in beats of four. Pretty soon the Spirit
> took over and there was harmonious music coming forth. Then the Spirit
> added
> songs and then dancing. One man came into the circle and began to
> dance in a
> whirling motion and he looked exactly like I had seen the Lord dancing in
> my
> spirit the night before. One of the differences between this meeting and
> other "church" meetings I have been in was that the LORD was actually
> invited
> to PARTICIPATE in this one. He wasn't just some abstract concept we
> were
> worshipping and learning about. He was THERE. It was Him dancing and
> singing
> and teaching and prophesying THROUGH us. It's hard to explain
> without being
> there to experience it, but there was just something different about His
> Presence. It was so tangible.
>
> When we got back together for more worship that evening I think people
> were
> beginning to see that God was birthing before our very eyes the "Third
> Day
> Church" that so many prophecies have spoken of recently. The hallmark
> of
> this Church, I think, is going to be RESTING in the Lord, WAITING on
> the
> Lord, BEING in the Lord. The emphasis is going to be on BEING
> instead of
> DOING. It is going to be a Church that is going to "waste" itself on HIM.
> As we waited on Him, worshipped Him, rested in Him, HE SHOWED
> UP and
> inhabited the praises of His people. He was a PARTICIPANT. He was
> moving in
> us and through us. We didn't have to do anything except be available to
> Him.
>
>
> I remember a few years ago there was a prophecy out that the glory of
> the
> Lord was going to descend on a certain day. People were kind of
> waiting and
> wondering if some huge tidal wave was going to come down from heaven
> in an
> instant and take us away on some glory cloud. People have expectations
> about
> what the glory of the Lord is going to look like and I think that if we
are
> looking for something big and dramatic we may miss it. The glory of the
> Lord
> that we have all been waiting for is HERE. It is the Presence of the Lord
> living through His people. It is as simple as that. And I believe it is
> like a tidal wave that is building.
>
> One of the words that came forth that evening was from a young man
> who knows
> about surfing. He told us that experienced surfers don't jump on just any
> wave. They paddle out into the deep water and wait for the "BIG ONE."
> Inexperienced surfers will jump on whatever wave comes by but the
> experienced
> surfer knows that the big one is worth waiting for. The inexperienced
> surfer
> can't discern the big one but the experienced surfer can. When he sees it
> coming he begins to paddle like mad and it doesn't seem like he is making
> any
> progress because the wave is drawing the water from the shore, but
> before he
> knows it he is riding the crest and having the time of his life. I
believe
> the glory of the Lord is like that. It is building right now and most
people
> can't see it yet. But there are some who have been out in the deep water
> waiting and watching and they can see it coming. Now is the time to start
> paddling because pretty soon it is going to be such a big wave that it
will
> either crash down on us or we will ride it for the time of our lives.
>
> Once I had a vision of different people coming into a house. Each one
> had
> light inside them and they glowed. As more came in the house their lights
> came together and began to shine through the windows. Then more came
> and the
> light began to burst through the cracks in the walls and out the chimney.
> Then more came together and the light burst through the walls and the
> whole
> house was light and it radiated everywhere. Several years ago I had a
> dream
> where there were body cells and they began to come together. Soon
> they
> formed one giant warrior/man that covered the whole earth.
>
> I am betting that there are other "cells" out there that are experiencing
the
> same move of the Lord we experienced in Minnesota and that other "spy
> reports" will soon be coming in. I think the Lord will begin to connect
the
> cells and as we are drawn together by the unity of the Spirit the light -
the
> GLORY - of the Lord is going to grow. His Presence will increase in His
> people as we "waste" our lives on Him and come together in the unity of
> the
> Spirit. And as His Presence increases so will signs and wonders and
> healings
> and deliverances and all the other things that happen when Jesus is in the
> house.
>
> The priests then withdrew from the Holy Place. All the priests who were
> there had consecrated themselves, regardless of their divisions. All the
> Levites who were musicians - Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun and their sons
> and
> relatives - stood on the east side of the altar, dressed in fine linen and
> playing cymbals, harps and lyres. They were accompanied by 120
> priests
> sounding trumpets. The trumpeters and singers joined in unison, as with
> one
> voice, to give praise and thanks to the Lord. Accompanied by trumpets,
> cymbals and other instruments, they raised their voices in praise to the
> Lord
> and sang: "He is good; his love endures forever."
>
> Then the temple of the Lord was filled with a cloud, and the priests could
> not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord
> filled the temple of God. (2Chronicles 5: 11-14)
>
> That night after another brief break we got back together and it turned
> into
> a big love fest. There were people drunk in the Spirit, joy and new wine
> were flowing. Fourteen-year-olds were ministering and I'll bet they have
> never taken a long seminar on "How to Minister 101." They just did what
> the
> Spirit told them to do. Us "old folks" were dancing and acting like 14
> year
> olds. It was a Holy Ghost party. In one day God had turned us into
> family
> and we were having a great reunion.
>
> Sunday morning, a bit bleary eyed, those who were still there wondered
> into
> the cafeteria and we began to share what we had experienced and why
> we felt
> this was different from other meetings we had been to. We felt that
> FREEDOM
> was one of the hallmarks of this move of God. This weekend had been
> about
> freedom - not just for us but for the Lord too. HE was set free to move
> among His people. Our agendas or expectations hadn't boxed Him in.
> This is a
> REVOLUTIONARY concept and we felt we were in on the ground floor
> of a
> revolution. We also felt we were being called to be "minutemen" - ready
> to
> respond to the Lord's voice at any minute - not just at artificially fixed
> times like Sunday mornings. The Lord wants us to respond when he calls
> just
> like the disciples did. We need to be ready to go with him the minute He
> says, "Come, follow me."
>
> A man who had started around a dozen churches had an excellent word
> of
> wisdom. I'll bet this man has never been addressed or recognized as
> "Apostle
> So and So" but he spoke with the authority and wisdom of a man who
> has gained
> apostleship through the survival of many battles. He spoke about living
> through the Jesus movement and about watching many brothers die in
> battle
> beside him over the years. This move of God is going to require
> HUMILITY.
> This move of God, to survive, is going to have to be totally God's. One
> of
> the biggest mistakes the church has made throughout history is to jump in
> and
> try to take over when God starts doing something new. We've got to lay
> down
> our "truths", our expectations, our agendas, our images of what we think
> God
> should do and what it should all look like. We have got to resist the
> temptation to jump in and start DOING. We've got to learn to just BE
> and let
> Him live in us. Denny Meyer spoke of this being the realm of the LIFE -
> learning to live in the Holy of Holies where all that matters is HIS
> PRESENCE.
>
> Pete Thiel spoke a word that summed up the entire weekend in two
> words. He
> said that God is building a HEART KINGDOM. It is not a kingdom that
> we are
> going to build ourselves out of our own minds, wills and emotions. It is
> going to be built BY Him, FOR Him, out of hearts that want nothing but
> HIM.
> He has always built His kingdom in hearts but we have always looked for
> it
> outside of ourselves somehow. But this move will be built with living
> stones, hearts purified by the fire of His judgment and unified by His
> Spirit. God looks at the heart and not the outward form and if we don't
> do
> likewise, we may miss Him.
>
> It was hard to break away and leave that afternoon. We ended by
> sharing
> communion together, understanding in a deeper way that we are His body
> and it
> is His blood running through us, binding us all together, making us one
> with
> each other and with Him. Communion. Awesome.
>
> They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship,
> to
> the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe and
> many
> wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. All the
> believers
> were together and they had everything in common. Selling their
> possessions
> and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they
> continued to
> meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and
> ate
> together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor
> of
> all the people. (Acts 2: 42-47)
>
> This is just my report. There were many others there who could report
> other
> aspects and insights but I think we would all agree that it was an
> awesome
> time, filled with the Presence of God and the beginning of a new day. I
> would
> just like to say: Paul Cain, wherever you are, the "Nameless, Faceless
> Generation" has been born!
>
> Taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge
> in
> him. Fear the Lord, you his saints, for those who fear him lack nothing.
> The lions may grow weak and hungry, but those who seek the Lord lack
> no good
> thing. Psalm 34: 8-10
>
> On the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud
> voice, "If a man is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever
> believes
> in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from
> within him." John 7: 37-38
>
>
>
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