Sentiment for the Soul
Quote from Forum Archives on March 31, 2000, 2:02 pmPosted by: tz8cy5 <tz8cy5@...>
[This one has circulated around the 'Net in different forms - not sure it
has made it here yet, so will post this once.]Sentiment for the Soul
"Professing to be wise, they became fools. . ."
"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new
students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?" "Yes, sir." "So you
believe in God?" "Absolutely." "Is God good?" "Sure! God's good." "Is God
all-powerful? Can God do anything?" "Yes." "Are you good or evil?" "The
Bible says I'm evil."The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment.
"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure
him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?" "Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!" "I wouldn't say that." "Why not say that? You would help
a sick and maimed person if you could...in fact most of us would if we could.
God doesn't." [No answer] "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who
died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus
good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?" [No answer]The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of
water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In
philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones."Let's start again, young fella." "Is God good?" "Er... Yes." "Is Satan
good?" "No." "Where does Satan come from?" The student falters. "From...
God..." "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his
bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student
audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and
gentlemen."He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir." "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?" "Yes."
"Who created evil?" [No answer] "Is there sickness in this world? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness. All the terrible things - do they exist in this world?" The
student squirms on his feet. "Yes." "Who created them?" [No answer] The
professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!"
The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a
still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?" [No answer]The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the
lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther.
The class is mesmerised. "Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is
good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his
arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the
brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the
suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
[No answer] "Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" Pause. "Don't you?"
The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?"
[No answer] "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?" The student's voice betrays
him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use
to identify and observe the world around you. Have you?" "No, sir. I've never
seen Him." "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?" "No, sir. I have
not." "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus, or smelt your Jesus...
in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?" [No
answer] "Answer me, please." "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't." "You're
AFRAID... you haven't?" "No, sir." "Yet you still believe in him?" "...yes...">"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to
the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God
doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"
[The student doesn't answer] "Sit down, please." The Christian sits...
Defeated.Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?" The
professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come,
young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering." The Christian looks
around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a
question for you. Is there such thing as heat?" "Yes," the professor replies.
"There's heat." "Is there such a thing as cold?" "Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No, sir, there isn't." The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes
very cold.The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat,
super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat, or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold.' We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold,
otherwise we would be able to go colder than -458. You see, sir, cold is only a
word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we
can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite
of heat, sir, just the absence of it."Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?" "That's a dumb question, son.
What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?" "So you say
there is such a thing as darkness?" "Yes...""You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light,
but if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness,
isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness
isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar
of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This
will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is,
young man?""Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with
and so your conclusion must be in error...." The professor goes toxic.
"Flawed...? How dare you...!""Sir, may I explain what I mean?" The class is all ears. "Explain... oh,
explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control.
Suddenly, he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class for
the student to continue."You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That, for
example, there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You
are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism
but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death, as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it.">The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbour, who
has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country
hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?" "Of course there is,
now look...""Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is
there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is
there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of
good?"The professor's face has turned an alarming colour. He is so angry he is
temporarily speechless. The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the
world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be
accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is
accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our
own free will, choose good over evil."The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter
as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not
recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of
the world equation because God is not observable.""I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is
probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies.
"Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week!Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?" "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
yes, of course I do." "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes,
sir?" The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student
a silent, stony stare."Professor. Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?" "I'll
overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have
you quite finished?" The professor hisses."So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?" "I believe in
what is - that's science!" "Ahh! SCIENCE!" The student's face splits into a
grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena.
Science too is a premise which is flawed..." "SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the
professor splutters.The class is in uproar.
The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue
the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an
example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent.The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever
seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out in laughter.The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone
here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain,
touched, or smelt the professor's brain?" No one appears to have done so.The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no-one here has had any
sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the
rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the
professor has no brain." The class is in chaos.
Posted by: tz8cy5 <tz8cy5@...>
has made it here yet, so will post this once.]
Sentiment for the Soul
"Professing to be wise, they became fools. . ."
"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new
students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?" "Yes, sir." "So you
believe in God?" "Absolutely." "Is God good?" "Sure! God's good." "Is God
all-powerful? Can God do anything?" "Yes." "Are you good or evil?" "The
Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment.
"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure
him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?" "Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!" "I wouldn't say that." "Why not say that? You would help
a sick and maimed person if you could...in fact most of us would if we could.
God doesn't." [No answer] "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who
died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus
good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?" [No answer]
The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of
water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In
philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones.
"Let's start again, young fella." "Is God good?" "Er... Yes." "Is Satan
good?" "No." "Where does Satan come from?" The student falters. "From...
God..." "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his
bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student
audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and
gentlemen."
He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir." "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?" "Yes."
"Who created evil?" [No answer] "Is there sickness in this world? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness. All the terrible things - do they exist in this world?" The
student squirms on his feet. "Yes." "Who created them?" [No answer] The
professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!"
The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a
still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?" [No answer]
The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the
lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther.
The class is mesmerised. "Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is
good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his
arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the
brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the
suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
[No answer] "Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" Pause. "Don't you?"
The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?"
[No answer] "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?" The student's voice betrays
him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."
The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use
to identify and observe the world around you. Have you?" "No, sir. I've never
seen Him." "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?" "No, sir. I have
not." "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus, or smelt your Jesus...
in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?" [No
answer] "Answer me, please." "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't." "You're
AFRAID... you haven't?" "No, sir." "Yet you still believe in him?" "...yes...">
"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to
the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God
doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"
[The student doesn't answer] "Sit down, please." The Christian sits...
Defeated.
Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?" The
professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come,
young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering." The Christian looks
around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a
question for you. Is there such thing as heat?" "Yes," the professor replies.
"There's heat." "Is there such a thing as cold?" "Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No, sir, there isn't." The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes
very cold.
The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat,
super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat, or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold.' We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold,
otherwise we would be able to go colder than -458. You see, sir, cold is only a
word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we
can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite
of heat, sir, just the absence of it."
Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?" "That's a dumb question, son.
What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?" "So you say
there is such a thing as darkness?" "Yes..."
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light,
but if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness,
isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness
isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar
of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"
Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This
will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is,
young man?"
"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with
and so your conclusion must be in error...." The professor goes toxic.
"Flawed...? How dare you...!"
"Sir, may I explain what I mean?" The class is all ears. "Explain... oh,
explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control.
Suddenly, he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class for
the student to continue.
"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That, for
example, there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You
are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism
but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death, as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it.">
The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbour, who
has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country
hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?" "Of course there is,
now look..."
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is
there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is
there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of
good?"
The professor's face has turned an alarming colour. He is so angry he is
temporarily speechless. The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the
world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be
accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is
accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our
own free will, choose good over evil."
The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter
as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not
recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of
the world equation because God is not observable."
"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is
probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies.
"Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week!
Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?" "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
yes, of course I do." "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes,
sir?" The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student
a silent, stony stare.
"Professor. Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?" "I'll
overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have
you quite finished?" The professor hisses.
"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?" "I believe in
what is - that's science!" "Ahh! SCIENCE!" The student's face splits into a
grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena.
Science too is a premise which is flawed..." "SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the
professor splutters.
The class is in uproar.
The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue
the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an
example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent.
The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever
seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out in laughter.
The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone
here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the professor's brain,
touched, or smelt the professor's brain?" No one appears to have done so.
The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no-one here has had any
sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the
rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the
professor has no brain." The class is in chaos.