Man cannot be righteous in God’s sight until he repents of his own expectation that he can be righteous in his own sight. God is not mighty toward man until man is weak toward God.
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RockOnLine debate

RockOnLine debate

Msg#: 1954 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/13/89 21:47:56
From: NAME DELETED
To: SAM JONES
Subj: Re: GOD’S WORD

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Sam,

All I have done is quote Scripture to back up the “worldliness” of Stryper. You call them “empty spoutings”. Funny, I haven’t seen one scripture to back up your hearty defense of Stryper. So who is full of “empty spoutings” here?

Mike
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Msg#: 1956 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/13/89 22:10:55
From: NAME DELETED
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: CAT STEVENS NOW AND THEN!

–

Seth,

I never said that if someone came to the Lord through Cat Stevens that because he fell away from God that everyone who came to the Lord through him is lost now too. All I said was THROW AWAY YOUR CAT STEVENS MUSIC! You hypocrite! The very fact that he has fallen away makes his music even more repulsive!

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (I John 2:18-19)

Cat Stevens is at best an antichrist! He “did not really belong to us”! Is this the kind of man you get encouragement from? God doesn’t care what he was, He looks at what he is now. Only a warped heart would flock to his music. I’ll be glad to join you in praying for him, Seth, but listen to his music while I do, forget it! If Keith Green were still alive and went back to the world, I’d throw away his music and never hand out another of his tracts again! Get separate from the world, Seth! Quit justifying your desires for your kind of music and get a desire for some Holy music that comes from someone who is faithful …

My eyes will be on the faithful in the land, that they may dwell with me; he whose walk is blameless will minister to me. (Psalms 101:6)

Who will minister to you Seth? Right now it’s the UNFAITHFUL!

Mike
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Msg#: 1959 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:30:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: Re: STRYPER

> This is the result of a tangent.

. Doesn’t surprise me. Echo conversations have a tendancy to do that….

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Msg#: 1960 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:35:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: Re: THE LENGTH OF A MANS HAIR

> I even french braid it for Church.

. I often wonder what Samson and the others under the Nazerite vow did when their hair got in the way. Even Paul took the Nazerite vow and let his hair grow out. <grin>

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Msg#: 1962 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 01:06:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1959 (Re: STRYPER)

> Sorry but I’m not sure what tzitzit is so I > probably don’t wear it <grin>.

“The L-rd spoke to Moshe saying, Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tzitzit on the corners of their garments throughout all their generations, and they shall put in the tzitzit on each corner a cord of blue. And it shall be a tzitzit for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the L-rd so as to do them and not follow after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you stray, in order that you may remember to do all My commandments, and be holy to your G-d.” Numbers 15:37-40

> But I think you understand my point that if Jesus would have > considered it sinful to wear the kind of clothing that > Stryper wears then we should also “walk as Jesus did”, thus > considering it sinful ourselves.

. Yes, He would not have worn certain forms of clothing — He would have avoided wearing a linen & cotton shirt whether it had tzitzit or not. Since He fully fullfilled all of Torah He would not have worn many forms of clothing.

> But, no, to walk as Jesus did would not mean a legalistic > wearing of the same kind of clothing, walking in the same > physical manner (feet turned out, feet turned in, etc.)

. Naturally wearing tzitzit would not be done from a legalistic standpoint. The legalistic keeping of Torah is a curse. It would be like the difference between a woman who veiled her head out of faith and a woman who only wore a veil because someone threatened to shave her head. The woman who was threatened would be doing it because of legalism. It is the same for tzitzit. “The just shall live by faith.” If the tzitzit are worn out of something other than faith, then there is no benifit, but a curse instead.

> You were just kidding, weren’t you?

. About me actually wearing tzitzit? No, quite a percentage of the males in Messianic Judaism wear them. <grin>

. Shalom B’Yeshua

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Msg#: 1965 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:05:36
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: Re: DION

>
I believe that if any artist should switch….so what?? Unless they are distinctly disobeying God who are we to judge? This is the type of thing that

They are “distinctly disobeying God’s Word”. The scriptures fully declare that those who love Jesus are not like the world and do not have ANY DESIRE to copy the world. My goodness. I have given you one very, very simply command and they will not even obey it. They will not cut their hair. Let alone to talk about all the other things in the Lord. Why should they be considered Christians if they can’t even obey the basics?

Tim
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Msg#: 1966 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:10:33
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DAVE LEIBOLD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1962 (Re: STRYPER)

>Reminds me of Philippians 1:15-18 …

I Corinthians 4:18-5:1 Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a whip, or in love and with a gentle spirit?

While Paul rejoiced that the gospel was being preached, if he were freed from his “chains” what would 1 Corinthains 4:18 tell us Paul would do?

And what does Titus tell us to do?

Titus 1:10-14 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach–and that for the sake of dishonest gain. Even one of their own prophets has said, “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.

Not too “loving” …huh?

Much grace and mercy to you,

Tim
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Msg#: 1967 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:21:52
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1965 (Re: DION)

> What if Dion has not back-slided? What if he is doing what Amy Grant does? What if he is trying to appeal to a non-Christian audience just to get their attention so that when he has it, when he has grabbed them with his music, he can then talk the Gospel to them? But his fruits have already demonstrated that he has back-sliden. When he was full of the Spirit he had no desire to return to the “vomit” he once song. We can never preach the gospel to people are indulging in their impurity. Think about what kind of old music he is “grabbing” them with. Remember, Jesus was always Jesus. He never “hinted” at the Truth. If we could but realize that those songs are devoted to demons then we could see that Jesus would not sing one to get their attention. Besides, what would he tell them? How could he tell them to “come out and be separate” while he got their attention with the very thing he must tell them to leave.

This really shows to problems. [1] That somehow by being a little worldly we attract the world. [2] The difference between ENTERTAINMENT PREACHING and NARROW ROAD PREACHING.

What these artist are appealing to to get their people in is the sinful nature. After all, if you don’t appeal to their sinful motives they are not going to show up. And God’s Word says that to such preachers “blackest darkness” is reserved.

II Peter 2:17-22 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity–for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”

Notice well that in Peter here it also mentions they return to their old ways, (ie old songs?). While Jesus ate and drank with drunkards he never got drunk. In the same way while I would play a song on MTV I would not dress, act or sing like them. Look at the fruit of what their wide road, flesh pleasing gospels are doing. If you point out how they dress you are accussed of being a homosexual full of lust!! Wickedness is now called holy and holiness is now called wicked. The lives must match the words!

Much grace,

Tim
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Msg#: 1968 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:24:26
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1956 (CAT STEVENS NOW AND THEN!)

> I am not told to list scripture for each statement I make. We as a body a told to check what we belive to be in line with scripture. Many times people find one verse that shows what they want to see, but they stop there, don’t fall victem to that type of thinking. JESUS LIVES.

I Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

Much grace, Tim
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Msg#: 1969 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:27:21
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: THE LENGTH OF A MANS HAIR

> I even french braid it for Church.

Since you will not cut your hair as scripture says men should do, then you may want to live another passage.

I Peter 3:3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes.

Much grace,

Tim
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Msg#: 1970 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:29:40
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1966 (Re: STRYPER)

> It is in refrence to there Hair. This man belives if you don’t cut your hair you are hell bound. The problem is he won’t say how long is long. ..Do you think he is a barber?

It is the dis-obedience that will send one to hell. Nope, I am not a barber. And I did tell you how long your hair should be.

I Timothy 1:3-7 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work–which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

Much grace,

Tim
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Msg#: 1971 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:32:50
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1970 (Re: STRYPER)

> This is the result of a tangent. The msg flames started from a comment on a rock group with long hair.

Staying and Praying Seth

The messages are not considered “flames” on our part. Rather, scripture calls us to sharpen and perfect each other. It is just those who don’t want to change that they become flames. Be assured we speak in gentleness and with mercy always before us!

Psalms 141:5 Let a righteous man strike me–it is a kindness; let him rebuke me–it is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it. Yet my prayer is ever against the deeds of evildoers;

Colossians 1:28-29 We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. To this end I labor, struggling with all his energy, which so powerfully works in me.

Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.

Mark 9:50 “Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other.”

Much peace,

Tim

Proverbs 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.
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Msg#: 1972 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:39:13
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1971 (Re: STRYPER)

Diane,

Are you for real? MTV said DeGarmo and Key were too violent and graphic. That took some real guts.

Of course what song about being Jesus did they play. And too, it must be noted MTV could not have even labeled the charge against Keith Green or Michael Card about being voilent and graphic.

Romans 3:7-8 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” Why not say–as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say–“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved.

It seems the music industry beleives this. Let sin increase that the gospel might go out!

Much grace,

Tim

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Msg#: 1973 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 00:47:56
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1967 (Re: DION)

> Does your message also apply to people like Amy Grant, who has taken her success to the ‘other side’ of music?

Let me share some wisdom with you about Amy Grant.

[1] Notice that the High Priest prophesied that Jesus would die. Yet, he was the one who would work it out.

John 11:50-53 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.” He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. So from that day on they plotted to take his life.

So we see that very often there is a prophecy mixed in these people’s lives. Such is the comment on-line here about preaching from false motives. Such is a prophetic comment about their lives.

[2] Now consider Amy Grant’s trade mark garment. A leopard skin designed jacket.

Jeremiah 13:23-27 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil. “I will scatter you like chaff driven by the desert wind. This is your lot, the portion I have decreed for you,” declares the LORD, “because you have forgotten me and trusted in false gods. I will pull up your skirts over your face that your shame may be seen– your adulteries and lustful neighings, your shameless prostitution! I have seen your detestable acts on the hills and in the fields. Woe to you, O Jerusalem! How long will you be unclean?”

In comparission her music is not as bad. She simply has a heart for the world. Her live, interviews and actions show forth this fruit. (Yes, we have tried to talk to Amy Grant and her Pastor about this.)

She is really worse than STRYPER because she looks so good on the outside.

Matthew 23:27-28 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

To the naive she looks “beautiful”.

Much grace, (really)

Tim
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Msg#: 1978 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/13/89 23:05:00
From: ALPINE
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: CFC ECHOS

Someone mentioned moving one of the discussions to a different echo and he said that he had all the message areas in the CFC. What is this and c[?1;0can we add anymore to our board. The ROL has become very popular here.

Alpine
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Msg#: 1984 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 11:42:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1978 (Re: CFC ECHOS)

. More information coming via NetMail.

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Msg#: 2014 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 11:48:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: ALPINE
Subj: Re: THE POWER TEAM

thanks….
cat got my tounge…
K.C.
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Msg#: 2023 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 01:00:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: ALL
Subj: NEW MUSIC

I would like to encourage all of the rock fans to check out 2 new groups. 1. Q-STONE and 2.MASTEDON.
These guys have to be some Hot new music… But don’t take my word for it go and get them for yourself. You will be BLESSED/ /
Kevin
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Msg#: 2024 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 20:15:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: PETRA

I believe the lead singer for Petra is now John Schlitt. He used to be a secular rock singer for Kansas or someone. Their new album On Fire is awesome. It is 60 minutes of pure rock and roll!

Jon
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Msg#: 2025 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/14/89 20:19:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1973 (Re: DION)

Well said. If the artist can reach a larger market and minister for God, who are we to judge are brothers and sisters of backsliding!

Jon
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Msg#: 2029 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/12/89 11:20:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2025 (Re: DION)

All I can add to this Kevin, is that Dion has a new lp out called “YO FRANKIE” which has a message out there…at least the new title cut does…it isn’t a message about God but it is a message that is pertinent in today’s world.

I might just check this out from the secular radio station point of view and see what they have to say.

This conversation, or what it is bringing out, is more and more the question of well…many questions and topics, I think.

i.e. Michael W. Smith might be singing about the same themes as Dion but to a Christian audience, whereas Dion isn’t. So as a ‘singer’, how should we ‘judge’ (not a judgment really, perhaps more of an opinion…) what opinion should we have of him? We could say that Dion will reach more people with his pertinent message about suicide or drugs than Mike Smith will because Mike Smith is singing to a smaller audience.

I am not trying to come to any conclusions with the ideas that I am bringing forth…what I am hoping is that it will make us think of other ideas and opinions.

Take another example – Phil Driscoll, he is known mainly in Christian music circles, – a few years back, he signed with an association to do a ‘theme’ song about Saying No to Drugs and Yes to Jesus….

I was very surprised to learn that he recorded this ‘theme’ song twice. Once for secular radio stations to get to the broader number of people…he sang in that version, to say no to drugs and yes to (I think it was life) I KNOW that Jesus was NOT mentioned in that song. The other version for the Christian radio stations included the line “say no to drugs and yes to Jesus”.

And my first reaction to that whole thing was “Are you ashamed of the Gospel of the Lord Phil?” and my second was that I know that he isn’t because I have heard him being interviewed, etc. BUT although I (personally) would have liked the idea that the words of the song not be changed, unfortunately, just knowing how things are set up…I ‘see’ (I don’t care for it, but I ‘see’) why his record company felt the need to do it.

Now, I don’t mean to confuse this issue with the Dion one…just thought I’d throw that in.
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Msg#: 2030 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/12/89 12:21:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: THE DION CONTROVERSY

I have contacted Arista Records regarding the YO FRANKIE lp and I should be getting a reviewer’s copy of it in a few days.

Although I encourage all of you to speak here and to let your differences of opinions be known to others for the purpose of educating them and allowing us to hear your views on the subject, I think that once and for all – we should try to clear up the Dion situation…so I will be contacting Dion’s manager by phone in an attempt to get some news from Dion on where he stands now…and if he will continue to record Christian music.

Hopefully, this information (along with my review of a secular lp – which is NOT the norm format for the magazine but just as with the Sam Philips lp review…I believe that it is pertinent to be in an issue) will clear up any misconceptions about Dion and hopefully the truth will be known.

Again, thank you to the reader who started all this by asking/making the comment about Dion – how else can we all learn and be informed.

Just pray that I am able to get some statement from Dion or his manager.

Diane

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Msg#: 2031 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/13/89 18:25:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: INTERVIEWS

Diane,
. Finally got together with my ex-Sunday School student to decipher the last two interviews at Cornerstone. Sent the letter out this morning, so you should receive it before the “deadline.”
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Msg#: 2049 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 20:53:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2023 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

Kevin (and All),

We have all noticed the recent and disruptive presence of the “pastor” or the Sound Doctrine “church” (from Denver, CO), his wife and son, and his bulldog “co-pastor.” I will soon be uploading a series of messages on the so-called “Sound” Doctrine and its proponents and this should shed some light on their motivation and how they operate, as well as why many in the Denver area consider them a para-Christian cult. Call me at PH and we’ll go over this. Take care.

Dave

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Msg#: 2050 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 14:29:00
From: MORKELEB
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOG

But again, do you have to lower yourself to the worlds’ standards? Did Christ? He sure didn’t.

Mork
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Msg#: 2051 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 14:38:00
From: MORKELEB
To: PAT MULCAHY
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOGETHER

Do my opinions really matter? Yes, I beleive they do. Someone asked for it so I gave it. Never the less, you still aren’t listening to me, did Christ lower himself to the worlds’ standards, no, he didn’t. So why should we, we are Christians, and what is the definition of Christian? Christ-like, now can you really all Stryper at all Christ-like? I don’t think so.

Mork
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Msg#: 2052 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 14:44:00
From: MORKELEB
To: SAM JONES
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1962 (Re: STRYPER)

Aren’t you kind of getting a little offensive about all of this, I don’t beleive that he is gay as you are trying to portray, give it a rest, we are only discussing a matter here, not trying to create enemies…please, keep to the subject at hand without trying to cut someone else down.

Mork
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Msg#: 2053 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 15:03:00
From: MORKELEB
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2051 (Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOGETHER)

Actually it was my opinion, this is the way I feel, and I also beleive this is the way that God feels about Stryper, especially if it ran into scripture. I am very spiritual (or at least I try to be) but I am not very sciptural, a problem that can be remedied.

Mork
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Msg#: 2054 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 21:51:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2049 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

Dave,
That sounds(no pun intended) very good. I have listened to Tim only twice and found that both times he spoke only hypocrises and truth as seen only by Tim. If he would only use his zeal for the Lord they could have a strong ministry. I do not believe in half truth for it can only be truth or error. I see them fulfiling 2 Tim 4:4, 3:1-9.
We must stand in prayer for them and for the ones that are led astray.

GOD BLESS
Kevin
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Msg#: 2059 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 23:13:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTI

> Today, women have short hair and in the same passage Paul > says that they should shave their heads if they have short > hair. I hope you, Carla, have long hair, or else a barber > will have alot of fun with some shears.

. If they have to shave their heads when they have short hair, how would they go about getting long hair? <grin> I think the passage was refering to whether the women wear a veil down over their heads or not.

. I wonder if a wig covering their bald head would suffice as a veil? <grin> Some of the ancient rabbis indicated that it did.

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Msg#: 2068 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 22:38:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2050 (Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOG)

Sorry, big guy, but I haven’t lowered my standards to the world. In fact, I’ve raised them and except alot out of music now.

Jon
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Msg#: 2069 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 22:40:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2059 (Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTI)

I was kinda wondering about how the women would ever get long hair, too. But, I believe it was talking about hair being used as a veil. Am I correct on that?

Jon
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Msg#: 2070 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 22:48:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: SHELBY WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2024 (Re: PETRA)

Those kids know who Petra is because the Spirit of the Lord has moved up his actions in the final days, as has Satan. I find it nice that I can talk about the groups that I listen to with kids at a public high school.

K
Jon
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Msg#: 2071 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/15/89 23:53:52
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2049 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

Dave, I must have misplaced your number you can call me or leave it for me on one the bbs. Also please give me the times that the bbs will be up!! THANKS KEVIN God Bless
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Msg#: 2073 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 06:32:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2069 (Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTI)

> I was kinda wondering about how the women would ever get > long hair, too. But, I believe it was talking about hair > being used as a veil. Am I correct on that?

. No, because it says that “if a woman does not veil her head, let her also have her hair cut off”. And we know from the rabbinic writtings of the time that the Jewish women did practice veiling very much like the women in Islam do today. The practice has changed through the centuries. It used to include a facial veil, now it only the hair covering is practiced. Some of this carried down through the Catholic Church as well. You used to see Catholic women who would wear a fishnet veil over their faces, although the nuns typically only covered their hair. Today the Catholics don’t practice this as much, and the Protestants practice it even less. (In general of course. There are some sects which still practice it.)

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Msg#: 2080 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 02:01:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: THE SOUND DOCTRINE

The Sound Doctrine “Church” is a small group, consisting of perhaps 30 or so members. The “church” meets in the basement of the Aurora home of Tim Williams, the “Pastor.” The “Church” also runs a bulletin board in the Denver Metro area. The number is 303-780-6209 and the Sound Doctrine BBS is “PC-Pursuitable.”

“Pastor” Williams has no ecclesiatical credentials, nor does he claim any. The BBS has an article entitled “Who Are We?” which says, “He [Williams] is in his thirties and has NOTHING TO QUALIFY HIM AS A PASTOR, [sic] {Acts 4:13} [emphasis added].” The article further states, “NAME DELETED [“co-Pastor” and Co-SYSOP of the BBS] is a servant and a real help to the Sound Doctrine Church. HE TOO IS NOT QUALIFIED FOR SUCH A TASK {2 Corinthians 4:1} [emphasis added.].”

On the surface, the Sound Doctrine appears to be simply a very conservative group of fundamentalists. They believe in most if not all of the doctrines of orthodox Christian fundamentalism. The believe in all of those things that most of us would find perfectly acceptable: The divinity of Christ, the Virgin Birth, the Doctrine of the Trinity and so on. Where they must be taken to task, however, is not in their adherence to Christian orthodoxy, but in their addition of several Christian “qualifications,” their claim to perfection, and their utter disdain and intolerance for any opinions or beliefs–even within Christianity or among other Christians–that differ even slightly from their own. In this series of messages, it is my intent to present examples of this behavior as thoroughly as possible.

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Msg#: 2081 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 02:02:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: THE SOUND DOCTRINE, MSG 2

Readers of this echo have probably noticed that the Sound Doctrine claims for itself near divine discernment. “Co-Pastor” NAME DELETED is quite fond of quoting “A fool delights in airing his own opinions…” from the Proverbs. It should be clear to anyone whom has read the messages from the “Sound Doctrinites” that they consider their messages as good as if they came from the Bible itself, while the messages of those whom disagee with them are just opinions. The Doctrinites make this claim because they believe that they are the only ones whom truly surrender completely to Christ and whom are truly “carrying their crosses” in the way that Christ commanded. The Doctrinites engage in “proof-texting,” that is, they determine a doctrine or form an opinion on a given subject, and then search for Scriptures that they believe can be used to give their opinions Biblical weight. Readers of this and other echos have already seen a few episodes of this; but for the uninitiated, let’s consider some examples.

“Pastor” Williams has no credentials to be a Pastor. He justifies this by using Acts 4:13, which says, “When they saw the courage of Peter and John AND REALIZED THAT THEY WERE UNSCHOOLED ORDINARY MEN [emphasis added], they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus (NIV).”

The reason that Williams chose this passage rather than the far more obvious pastoral qualifications that Paul delivered [1 Tim. 3:1-7] is because of the passage “they were unschooled and ordinary men.” Since Williams has no formal Biblical education, he needed a passage that would allow him to fill the role of “Pastor,” and this is apparently the best one that he could find. When a person points out that the rest of the verse establishes that “they took note THAT THESE MEN HAD BEEN WITH JESUS [emphasis added],” and that the original Greek word used in this passage–as well as established Biblical history–indicates that this passage was referring to the fact that Peter and John were in the PHYSICAL presence of Jesus, Williams accuses the sender of “being prideful” in appealing to a knowledge of history or the Greek to disprove a God-given “truth.”

Williams has established a grooming standard for Christians that is quite conservative. Failure to adhere to this arbitrary standard means that the Christian is not “truly carrying his/her cross” or has not “fully submitted to the will of God.” Williams uses 1 Cor. 11:14, 15 to support his premise. When asked where he begins the measurement or where he begins to call hair “long” or “short,” Williams retorts that “God has revealed it” to him when he goes into his “prayer closet.” Again we are shown that if we were only truly godly, we would see as Williams does. When told that men in the time of Christ wore their hair longer than he would find acceptable today, Williams asks the nonsense question, “Have you ever seen pictures?” Of course, we have not; but Williams hasn’t seen them, either. The grooming issue, though minor [and the invidious distinctions of which are prohibited in the book of James] is an example of Williams and the Doctrinites putting extra-biblical qualifications on our Christianity (It should be noted that my own hair length is quite conservative. I could, even as I type this, pass a military inspection.).

Next: Christian Rock and The Sound Doctrine.

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Msg#: 2082 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 02:08:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: DIANA GAMBINO
Subj: AMY GRANT AND THE SOUND DOCTRINE

Carla Williams use of Amy’s “Madonna” quote is a clear misrepresentation. I saw that interview as well, and I have a transcript of it here. In the interview, which occured during the height of Madonna’s secular popularity, Amy was actually saying that she wished to be a positive ALTERNATIVE to Madonna. She in no way meant that she wanted to be anything LIKE Madonna, as Mrs. Williams is implying. This information is probably already known to you; but I felt it necessary to point out for those Christian on this echo whom may not have seen the interview.

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Msg#: 2084 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 05:25:07
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2030 (THE DION CONTROVERSY )

Diane,,

Grace and mercy to you in Jesus!

I was the one who brought up the issue of Dion. I too will be very interested in what they have to say. I was really excited to hear that Dion had come to the Lord. His music was a real inspiration.

However, I am curious on what you are expecting to hear from Dion and his manager. Do you expect him/them to say “Oh, he has gone back to the world.” Or that, he will never record a Christian song again? I am not bringing this up to antagonize you in any way. But as always in love to present everyone perfect in the Lord.

Tim
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Msg#: 2136 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 10:21:56
From: JEFF WATNEMOE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2070 (Re: PETRA)

No I sure don’t. So, Greg is not a part of Petra anymore? If not, did Petra disband? I hope not I really like the group. Jeff — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 2137 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 10:34:06
From: JEFF WATNEMOE
To: SHELBY WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2136 (Re: PETRA)

I havn’t heard any of there latest music. (old Petra is great) but like I said, Ireally havn’t heard any of there new stuff. I know that Stryper has been in alot of trouble. (They were found with an undisclosed amount of cocaine) and I have heard alot of people at my work say that the Christian act is just that an act. Sorry about no being able to help with your question. I know that Greg Votz is still good. (lead singer for Petra at one time) God Bless Jeff
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Msg#: 2140 *ROCK ON LINE*
*PRIVATE*
07/16/89 11:30:19
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2137 (RE: PETRA)

Message # 3822 has been read

Msg#: 2142 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 11:48:58
From: NAME DELETED
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2053 (Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOGETHER)

–

Mork,

If what you call your opinion goes along with the heart of God , which it looks like I see happening here concerning your view of Stryper, then I believe God has given you His heart and mind in this matter. Keep seeking His heart and you will see that your view of things spiritually will be coming from the heart of God. Keep praying to see the world through the eyes of Jesus!

In Jesus, Mike
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Msg#: 2163 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 21:26:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2054 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

Kevin,
Hours of operation are Sunday-Friday, 6 PM to 2 AM MDT. Call Midrash and I will leave you private mail with the number. I would especially appreciate you leaving your tape-lending number on the board. I has since been lost and you never know who might be interested. I’ve also made some changes that I would like comments on.
And, to keep this topical, can you tell me if and when Dallas Holm may be coming to Denver? Can anyone out there tell me?

Dave

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Msg#: 2165 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 16:34:31
From: MARK PAYNE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2052 (Re: STRYPER)

Hi!
Perfectly alright for you to drop in on the subject. I never heard of D&K asking MTV to air one of there songs! By the way do you know if MTV ever aired the video?
Thanks,
Mark
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Msg#: 2168 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 17:18:07
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2137 (Re: PETRA) JEFF, YEA OLD PETRA WAS FOR SURE REAL GOOD…..I WAS CORIUOS WERE YOU FOUND OUT THAT STRYPER WAS FOUND WITH COCAINE……WILL TYPE-TO YOU LATER MUCH PEACE AND GRACE SHELBY

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Msg#: 2175 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 23:13:08
From: NAME DELETED
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2137 (Re: PETRA)

–

Hi Jeff!

Long time no type! So where did you hear this about Stryper getting caught with cocaine? I’m just curious as to the validity of this. It wouldn’t surprise me though. Let me know where you found this out.

In the Master’s love, Mike — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 2182 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 08:20:21
From: JEFF WATNEMOE
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2175 (Re: PETRA)

It was in the Rocky Mountain News about 3 months ago. A couple of people were talking about it at work. I never did see the article. But I knew that Stryper was starting to go down towards the world ways. Mike, its great reading from you. I thought I had lost you. I have had alot of great things happen to me. I was used by God to minister to some Mormons. I told them about my relationship with Him, they said they would come back, but never did. Shine the light of the Lord on evil and they shall run from the light. this Wednesday I have someone from the Watchtower group who wants to talk with me. And again, I shall show them the love Of Jesus. God is great!!! I have lots of time to pray and study, I will probably be off work for 6 weeks. I had surgery Friday to repair a cut ligamite in my left hand thumb. But everything is going great. How is everything going with you? Well, I am going to run off to the echo boards. Just be assured I am thinking about you and the sysop. God Bless, Jeff
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Msg#: 2192 *ROCK ON LINE*
*PRIVATE*
07/17/89 23:14:18
From: NAME DELETED
To: JEFF WATNEMOE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2182 (RE: PETRA)

Message # 4038 has been read

Msg#: 2200 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 22:47:00
From: ALPINE
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2052 (Re: STRYPER)

To answer your message about the DeGarmo & Key video, that was too graphic, the song was ‘666’. The part that was too graphic involved a seen where a barrel of fire rolled to ignite someone supposed to be the anti-christ. I believe the scene was adjusted to make it acceptable for the network.

A
Alpine
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Msg#: 2201 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 00:10:00
From: STEPHEN
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2200 (Re: STRYPER)

Boy that sounds really graphic to me! Or do you have to witness it for yourself? My point is that many videos are graphic and it kinda stinks that they have to chop up D&K’s video.

Mithrandir the White
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Msg#: 2238 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 19:05:00
From: TIGELLINUS
To: ALL
Subj: BIBLE STUDENTS CONVENTION

Hello fellow Christians and freinds. I would like to invite you to our anual Rocky Mountain Area Bible Students Convention being held on August 11,12,13. The convention is being held at the Viscount Hotel 200 west 48th. Avenue, Denver, Colorado. For more information contact Marcia Kuehmichel 10201 riverdale road, #53
Thorton, CO 80229
We hope you can come and share in the word of God! Tigellinus…
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Msg#: 2264 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 15:48:47
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2081 (THE SOUND DOCTRINE, MSG 2)

Hi Dave, speaking of qualifications, didn’t you once say on the Sound Doctrine BBS that you are a retired psychiatrist? Where did you attend school and when did you graduate? Are you still active in the field and how do you spend your time now? Hope to hear from you soon, Terri — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 2275 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 15:45:00
From: MORKELEB
To: ALL
Subj: AMY GRANT

I thought that Amy Grant is no longer a ‘gospel singer’? That’s what I heard, she is still the the Bible Book Stores but if I’m not mistaken she has gone secular, isn’t this true? I heard her last tape and am not impressed…

Mork
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Msg#: 2308 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 13:18:23
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2275 (AMY GRANT)

Mork,

Nope, she still CLAIMS to be a Christian. In fact, she is getting ready to start a nation wide tour. You are picking up on the heart of the situation. She is not a Christian.

Much grace,

Tim
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Msg#: 2312 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 15:06:49
From: WOODY LINWOOD
To: WOODY LINWOOD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2308 (AMY GRANT)

Wow… your statement “she is not a Christian” is extremely presumptous. Although I haven’t paid a lot of attention to Amy Grant I would be tremendously cautious about pronouncing such a sentance on ANYONE… especially persons in the limelight such as her.
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Msg#: 2441 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 16:45:05
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: WOODY LINWOOD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2312 (AMY GRANT)

Hey Woody, what does it matter whether “she’s especially in the limelight”? Limelight, slimelight, or GOD’S PURE LIGHT, that’s the question all Christians must ask of their professed Christian brothers and sisters within the body of Jesus Christ and JUDGE by the Holy Spirit. Remember? I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people– not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to JUDGE THOSE INSIDE? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.” If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? (I Corinthians 5:9-6:1)

…and let’s not forget…

For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person–such a man is an idolater–has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore DO NOT BE PARTNERS WITH THEM. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. LIVE AS CHILDREN OF LIGHT (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather EXPOSE THEM. (Ephesians 5:5-11)

Woody, “regard no one from a worldly point of view.” (2Cor 5:16) Ask in prayer whether Amy Grant has the fruit of goodness, righteousness and truth, surrendering your opinions to the LORD and seeking the light of HIS TRUTH.

By HIS grace, Terri
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Msg#: 2530 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 18:01:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MORKELEB
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2441 (Re: AMY GRANT)

Sorry, dude, but Amy Grant is as Christian as ever. Somehow (a long time ago) the rumor got out that she was renouncing Christianity about the same time she recorded with Peter Cetera. Shows how popular gossip is…….

Mithrandir the White
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Msg#: 2534 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 03:40:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: ALL
Subj: NEW MUSIC!]

Just got Bash in the Codes new tape and it gets **** 4 stars they do a fine job on their new one..
SO YOU CAN BUY THIS ONE WITHOUT ANY WORRIES… Kevin
God Bless!!!!
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Msg#: 2748 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 21:09:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2530 (Re: AMY GRANT)

You know what they say about gossip…

“The words of a gossip are like choice morsels, they go down to a man’s inmost parts. (Prov. 18:8, NIV)”

Dave

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Msg#: 2749 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 21:11:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC

Now that we have some idea of the history and the ideas surrounding the Sound Doctrine, let’s get to the meat of the matter and talk about something that is topical to this echo: The Sound Doctrine and Rock Music, specifically, “Christian” Rock.

Almost certainly all regular readers and contributors to this echo are aware that Williams, NAME DELETED and company are hardly thrilled with Christian Rock, or Contemporary Christian Music, as I prefer to call it (since much of what they object to can hardly be called “rock music.”). Any intelligent person can tell you that the problem is actually one of personal taste. The Doctrinites simply don’t like CCM. Now the Doctrinites are not notorious for “sound” (if you’ll excuse the pun) exegesis or hermaneutics; but they are clever enough to realize that they are not going to convince anyone that they are right (and remember, the Sound Doctrine must always be right) by saying, “You shouldn’t listen to that stuff; we don’t like it!” They must come up with a Biblical reason for it. One of their answers is that “it’s the world’s music,” and we are to be separate from the world. Let’s explore this aspect a little.

There are no Biblical injunctions against music. The choir at the Sound Doctrine “Church” does perform music (even if they must face the wall while doing it). The Bible, however, makes no distinctions between “the world’s music” and “the Lord’s music.” This distinction is actually a modern one and varies from Christian to Christian. The fact is that there is no form of Christian music that does not have a secular counterpart and there is no longer any secular music that does not have a Christian counterpart. Handel wrote “Christian” AND SECULAR works and their styles are similar. Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, and many of the classical composers wrote music both for the church and for their secular audiences. There are country singers who sing many gospel songs and gospel does sound different many times; but a number of gospel songs are indistinguishable in style from many contemporary country songs–if all you could hear was the music, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a song written to be country and a song written to be “country-Christian.”

Music is a gift from the Lord. It gives us pleasure, reduces our stress, and allows us to sing praises to Him. However, like any gift from the Lord, it can be and has been perverted by men. Lennon/McCartney wrote a number of beautiful songs with lyrics that the Christian may find objectionable (e.g., _Imagine_). Glen Campbell, a personal favorite of mine who became a Christian just a couple of years ago, recorded _Gentle on My Mind_ as his first “hit.” This song had a catchy tune; but it was a song about a “love ’em and leave ’em kind of guy.” In more modern times, Dan Fogelberg (another personal favorite) sings about an encounter with an old lover in the very lilting “Auld Lange Syne,” and Whitney Houston, a professing Christian, sings about an affair with a married man in “Saving All My Love for You.” These are all things that a Christian could and should reject. The true Christian merit of a song rests almost entirely in the lyrics, not in the musical style. The Mormons sing a song in praise of Joseph Smith that sounds very much like “How Great Thou Art.” The style may be that of the classical Christian hymn; but the lyrics are not even remotely acceptable in a Christian church.

Continued next message…

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Msg#: 2750 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 21:12:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2749 (SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

In the previous message, I hope that I have been able to delinate the real distinction between what may be considered a “Christian” song and what may not be; and why there is no real distinction between “the world’s music” and whatever the Sound Doctrine considers “the Lord’s Music.”

“Christian” rock and “Christian” metal music do not get a lot of playing time on my turntable, since I am not an aficianado of this kind of music; but I do recognize its uses. While these kinds of music are not edifying to me, personally, I find that this is because of my own personal musical tastes and not because of any real substantial Biblical reasoning–so I don’t try to create one. The evidence is that if you are going to witness to the unsaved today and you are going to do it with music, you must do it with the music of today. You are not going to get a teenager to sit through a Dave Boyer or George Beverly Shea concert. Chances are, he/she won’t even find Evie very tolerable (is Evie going to Hell because she wears her hair very short?). However, you can probably get a teenager to go see Stryper, Petra, the Rez Band, and any number of other groups or individuals, including Amy Grant. My wife became a Christian at a Dallas Holm concert.

Is whether or not the music is personally edifying a reason to reject or accept certain styles of music as anti-Biblical? Certainly not. Since his salvation, Glen Campbell has released two very nice Christian albums that retain his style. I find these albums very pleasant AND edifying. My wife will not listen to Glen; but she does continue to enjoy and be edified by Dallas Holm and Amy Grant (whom I enjoy, as well) and Petra (whom I do not care for, personally). I know a number of non-Christians who listen to and enjoy Christian music from the classical era to today and the message in the music, edifying to many of us, has not mattered one bit in their personal philosophies. My father loved the old gospel and spiritual songs; but, as far as I know, died an unBeliever (he was a Jew). The bottom line to this point is that it’s not the music that makes the difference–it’s the heart of the listener.

The Sound Doctrine will reject all of this on the same grounds that they reject any questioning of their beliefs. The fact is that Tim Williams and his group have decided that any music that they personally do not like is evil, have gone into their “prayer closets,” and have had their belief confirmed (Any first-year psychology student can tell you why this is expected behavior–which is probably one of the reasons that the Sound Doctrine rejects psychology, as well!). This is the sort of special revelation that Williams and company claim to receive directly from God and is what allows him to fill in details that the Lord–in His wisdom and for His purpose–chose not to provide (hair length and clothing styles are others) in the Bible. The fact that they consider themselves as some sort of heavenly messengers is evident in ther posts on this echo. NAME DELETED repeatedly says things like “God hates this or that and this is why…” and then generally references a Bible text that is actually irrelevant to the subject matter. NAME DELETED also repeatedly answers the messages of others with Proverbs 18:2, which says “A fool finds no pleasure in understanding, but delights in airing his own opinions.” Since NAME DELETED believes that his messages are NOT opinions, but heavenly revelation, he is not covered by this passage. We must always be suspicious of any group that claims such modern-day revelation and further claims to have all the answers.

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Msg#: 2751 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 21:13:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2750 (SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

The best evidence that I have been able to gather suggests that the Sound Doctrine is part of a little-known trend in Christianity known as “The Sheparding Movement.” In this movement, small sects or para-Christian cults act in much the same way that we see the Sound Doctrine operating here. They hold that they are the holders of absolute truth and that anyone deviating even slightly with their beliefs are, as a minimum, not “carry their crosses,” nor have they “completely surrendered to Christ.” They operate in much the same way that non-Christian cults operate–the leader generally has unquestioned authority and considers it his duty to “protect” Christians from whatever he perceives as evil influence (which is why Williams is so insistent that his word be accepted as “doctrine” on the issues discussed on this board). There is some evidence of some sort of “communal” living (that they attempt to justify by appealing to the history of the early church–a justification that falls flat if investigated.). In addition to this, leaders of such sects often claim special revelation, the evidence of which we have already seen on this echo.

I realize that there is a Cult echo which covers this sort of thing. However, not all BBSs that carry this echo carry “Cult Watch,” and, since the Sound Doctrine has been present here, I felt it prudent to provide the information so that the readers of this echo might gain a better understanding of how these people operate and how they “think.” Since I read this echo frequently I felt moved to provide the information. I thank Diane and all for your patience. Any questions may be directed to me through this echo or, if you have access, through “Cult Watch.”

Dave Horn

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Msg#: 2754 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 17:29:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2748 (Re: AMY GRANT)

yeah, gossip is most definately something to stay away from…..

Mithrandir the White
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Msg#: 2814 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/21/89 08:23:55
From: WOODY LINWOOD
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2441 (AMY GRANT)

Hi. Gonna be gone for a few weeks so we’ll have to continue this when I return but… yes I do see in the Scriptures where we are authorized to pass judgement on those within the Body. I believe the reason the Lord has allowed us that opportunity, however, is to protect His kids who can be directly affected by bad teachings, etc. Jesus came to heal the sick… for THEY are the ones that need the doctor, right? As I previously stated, I have not paid much attention to Amy Grant but suppose for one second that her main “ministry” is to those non-believing kids who have no spiritual interest. If the Lord has led her down a path that would allow the majority of her efforts to be expended OUTSIDE the Church (AND) if she does not compromise her walk with Him then for me to conclude that God would never do that could infer I have the same attitude as those who persecuted His prophets and Son. Quite frankly, God’s kids have already heard His Gospel and responded to it. SOMEBODY has to reach those outside God’s Kingdom. Wycliff missionaries GO to where the people are. Street ministries GO to where the need is. So why is it too hard to suppose that God would send His kids outside of Zondervan to draw the lost unto Himself. In conclusion, because Amy Grant’s “teachings” or “music” do not personnally affect YOUR walk with your Creator, you should be careful when passing judgement on her. I’m not saying not to do it but, please, just be careful. Anyway, see you when I can dial in again! In His Service Woody — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 2934 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/22/89 00:06:00
From: ALPINE
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2751 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

I have appreciated your input on this touchy subject. Many of the users on our board have been wondering to the origins of SD. Thanks for the valuable insight. Maybe the SD founders would care to elaborate more on the CW board?

Alpine
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Msg#: 3075 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/22/89 21:22:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2934 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

I appreciate that you found the information fruitful. I was torn between whether or not to add the information, so I prayed long and hard. The impression that I got was to go ahead and do so.

It is my belief that we can understand others a little better if we try to understand their motivation and their underlying belief systems. Yes, it’s touchy. No one likes to see their belief systems attacked (as the Sound Doctrine almost certainly believes they have been) but “attack” was not my intent. I feel that if the SD believes that they have the right to attack and belittle others because their opinions are different, then we have the right to know why they feel this way.

Thanks for the response. So tell me, do you know if Dallas Holm is coming to Denver anytime soon? My wife would like to go see him again.

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Msg#: 3226 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 17:04:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3075 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

. If Whitney Houstan is actually a Christian, I’d be surprised. She seems more like one of the confused members of “Unity” or some other weird New Age/Christian mix.

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Msg#: 3244 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 17:02:23
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: SOUND DOCTRINE

Hi Diane, I am sorry to see that our discussion has turned into a debate as to whether Sound Doctrine is an heresy or not. There is another board where such a discussion would be more appropriate called the “Heresy Watch”. If you have any questions as to what we believe or teach feel free to ask. Plus you can call the Sound Doctrine BBS anytime. We have had some really good discussions on here and some pertinent questions have arised. I would hate to see them end.

The interview with Amy that I mentioned could not have been the same one that Dave says that he “saw”. It was in another state and was on radio. The arguement that Amy wants to be an alternative to Madonna proves my point. Just as I do not beleive that Stryper is an alternative to Ozzie Osborne; we need no alternatives to the things of this world. Jesus said that he is the WAY not the alternative. We are commanded to come out and be separate not to compromise.

Again I hope our discussions can continue and any debates concerning Sound Doctrine can go on a board set up for such discussions.

May the Lord Bless you in your Work:

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Msg#: 3245 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 17:06:04
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: WOODY LINWOOD (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2312 (AMY GRANT)

>>> if she does not compromise with Him

Woody, you made this statement in regards with Amy’s music and I agree totally. The question is has Amy compromised. I believe she has. Have you seen her secular video that she did with Peter Cetera?? It was very compromising for a “Christain.”

Some on this board assume that we do not like Amy’s or Stryper’s music or contemporay Christain music at all. Those people have never looked at our library of music tapes. I enjoy CCM very much as long as the muscian lives up to the words that he/she sings. If their public appearances reflect a heart that truly loves the Lord then their private ones hopefully will too. I enjoy Amy’s music and I care a lot about her, enough to be concerned about the compromise.

Time and time again on this board we have shared scripture that points out that such compromise with the world grieves the Lord. I have yet to see a scripture that points out where such compromise is acceptable to Him. Instead we receive personal attacks and accusations. Twisting of rumors that have not been investigated to see if they are true or not. We did, in love go to Amy personally. I am not saying that you have attacked us, Woody, but there have been others who have. “Judgement” does indeed begin with the “House of God”. And we are our brothers keepers, who should love enough to speak the Truth.

All Praise to Him, Carla — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3246 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 20:45:17
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: QUESTION

–

Hi Dave, speaking of qualifications, didn’t you once say on the Sound Doctrine BBS that you are a retired psychiatrist? Where did you attend school and when did you graduate? Are you still active in the field and how do you spend your time now? Hope to hear from you soon, Terri

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Msg#: 3291 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 13:27:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3226 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

I know. That’s why I “qualified” my statement by using the term “professing” Christian.

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Msg#: 3384 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 13:27:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3244 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)

TO ALL: The heresy watch Carla is talking about, is probally called Cult Watch on the rest of your local BBS’s.

Shalom

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Msg#: 3387 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 10:20:16
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: BILL CARLSON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3384 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)

Thanks Bill, I noticed that later. Hopefully the discussion will move over to that board.

Carla
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Msg#: 3396 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 14:12:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3245 (Re: AMY GRANT)

I am aware of the investigative techniques used to evaluate your position and I am convinced that they were valid, as were the points raised. Your Scriptures are hardly proof of your position for precisely the reasons that were mentioned. God decided to leave certain piddly details out that you folks choose to put in. Isn’t there something accursed about “adding to the Bible.” I know there is. . I think you missed the point entirely. You people fail to qualify anything you say as your “opinion.” It’s always fact, as far as you’re concerned and everyone else is wrong–since everyone else is simply voicing opinion.
. For example: you say that people who think you hate CCM haven’t seen your tape library. You say that if their heart is truly in what they are doing then you find them acceptable. Really? Who, then, do you find “acceptable” to YOUR standard? Evie? Paul Clark? Don Francisco? Rez Band? Who makes this judgement? You do, right? Aren’t you then only voicing your OPINION, really? You are certainly entitled to an opinion, Carla; but Dave is absolutely correct (my experience being that I have read virtually every public message that has been on your BBS as far back as last September) in that you people never admit that your opinions are simply that–opinions. It’s always “God’s word” when it comes from you. That makes you guys a little suspect in my book.

ka

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Msg#: 3397 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 14:15:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3246 (Re: QUESTION)

That’s another problem with people from the Sound Doctrine–not only can you not stay on the subject and try to avert being exposed; but you can’t even get your facts straight. At 34, Dave is a little your to be “retired,” nor is he a psychiatrist (I know this, having met him personally last May or so); but a degreed “psychologist.”

ka

(And thanks to NAME DELETED for introducing us!)

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Msg#: 3398 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 14:25:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: SOUND DOCTRINE
Subj: MESSAGES

I’ve noticed that your messages are a little late getting to the net. I was wondering if you were withholding messages (in violation of net policy) but I guess you were not. Still, I am wondering where Tim’s message on Amy Grant is. I wish to respond simply…

TW: “Amy Grant IS NOT [emphasis added] a Christian.”

Get this out of your “prayer closet,” Tim? Since Dave will not talk to you people, I will respond…

“For what man knows the things of a man except the SPIRIT OF THE MAN WITHIN HIM [emphasis added]? Even so, NO ONE KNOW THE THINGS OF GOD EXCEPT THE SPIRIT OF GOD [emphasis added].”

That is from 1 Corinthians, chapter 2, verse 11. This verse seems to disqualify you from judging either the spirit of Amy Grant AND the Spirit of God. Since this verse provides some evidence that man cannot know the things of God (such things are limited to “the Spirit of God”) that seems to disqualify your “prayer closet” revelations, too, doesn’t it? Of course, you will claim that you have the “Spirit of God” to rebut this; but that should surprise no one here–including those who also claim to have that “spirit” and who see things differently.

ka

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Msg#: 3399 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 14:31:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3396 (Re: AMY GRANT)

I don’t see how using a skill to make a living is necessarily “compromise.” Aren’t people entitled to make a living? If Amy Grant wants to record secular songs, what’s wrong with that? Debby Boone started that way and has since made three or four religious albums that I listen to and enjoy very much. There are lots of Christians out there who work in the secular world to make a living. Just because you don’t have to doesn’t mean that that should reflect on them. The “compromise” that you see is with YOUR standard. Whether that is also the “Lord’s standard” or whatever remains to be seen.

ka

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Msg#: 3400 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 14:34:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2201 (Re: STRYPER)

“…you still have not showed me scripture [paraphrased].”

Would it matter? Would you then be convinced that just because someone is doing something you don’t particularly agree with in a manner that you don’t particularly agree with that it isn’t necessarily evil or bad or whatever? I doubt it.

ka

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Msg#: 3401 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 14:35:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3387 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)

CW: “…in the message Dave says he ‘saw’…”

Saw was in quotes in your message. Are you accusing someone of lying?

ka

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Msg#: 3403 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 21:40:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3398 (Re: MESSAGES)

Ken, you almost sound like a M’shachim, <grin>, what brings on the sudden change, and the quotes from the Brit HaChadasha?

Who knows…

Shalom

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Msg#: 3405 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 17:57:07
From: BILL CARLSON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3387 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)

No problem, probally the easiest way would be for you to post that from there, then when they responded, they would already be there.

Shalom

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Msg#: 3408 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 21:10:46
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3397 (Re: QUESTION)

Thanks Ken for the correction and information.

He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains understanding. (Proverbs 15:32)

There I go again “blasting” you with scripture!!! Terri — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3410 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 23:53:13
From: RUTHANNE PRINCE
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY

Kevin,
Your message was not addressed to me, but I wanted to respond about “of the world”. What Jesus calls us to do is come out and be separate. STRYPER does not come out and be separate. JOHN 15:18 says,” If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world , it would love you as it’s own. As it is you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you:” No servant is greater than his master.” If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.”

As Christians we will be persecuted. WE need to be separate now so we will then. Separate from the world, that is. Love ,
Ruthanne
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Msg#: 3420 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 01:04:59
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: ALL
Subj: PRAISING WHO?

Hi everyone, I know we just went through a hotly debated topic on hard rock bands like Strypper, but after viewing a Strypper video (seeing first hand where they’re coming from and going to) of their concerts, back stage and off stage comments, etc., I couldn’t help but notice, the audience response to the band. Just who was the crowd raising their hands to? To who were they adoring and giving praises? Who is there star? I bring this up since the band itself as well as their fans claim they are a Christian band sending out the gospel message through hard rock music and song. GOD’s WORD has some relevant things on how Christians should praise and worship GOD.

Because your love is better than life, my lips will glorify you. I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands. My soul will be satisfied as with the richest of foods; with singing lips my mouth will praise you. (Psalms 63:3-5)

and…

I spread out my hands to you; my soul thirsts for you like a parched land. Selah (Psalms 143:6)

When Ezra had an attentive audience, standing above the crowd, just as Strypper has these days, he didn’t attemp to share in GOD’s glory:

Ezra opened the book. All the people could see him because he was standing above them; and as he opened it, the people all stood up. Ezra praised the LORD, the great God; and all the people lifted their hands and responded, “Amen! Amen!” Then they bowed down and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground. (Nehemiah 8:5-6)

GOD is a jealous GOD. He wants us to thirst after and love only HIM with a pure and obedient heart. If we do not…

I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more. (Ezekiel 26:13) and then notice: I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD. (Ezekiel 26:14) Whoa!! Could GOD make a promise to make any rock (surely that includes hard rock also) a “bare rock” if they do not solely worship HIM and do HIS will. Elsewhere, GOD says: “I hate, I despise your religious feasts; I cannot stand your assemblies. Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them. Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, I will have no regard for them. Away with the noise of your songs! I will not listen to the music of your harps. But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream! (Amos 5:21-24)

Who is GOD talking to? Professed Christians praising it up with all manner of sacrificial offersings, song and festivity in the NAME OF THE LORD! But GOD wants none of it because HE says: You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your idols, the star of your god– which you made for yourselves. (Amos 5:26) Who are the kings, the idols, the stars which we have lifted up as a holy shrine?
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Msg#: 3460 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 11:58:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3401 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE)

No problem.

Shalom

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Msg#: 3472 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 16:11:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3410 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)

Oh, so by separating ourselves it means we can’t listen (or play, as the case may be) to the same type of music that non-christians listen to? I think that being a christian would really be a drag if we couldn’t do the same things that non-christians do, i.e. driving a car, reading books (hmmmm, interesting huh?), watching television, etc…..
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Msg#: 3473 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 16:14:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3420 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

Are you assuming that the whole crowd listening to Stryper is Christian? Or are you saying that Christians, and non-Christians alike need to adore God and God alone. We can’t be impressed by the talents of musical artists? I believe we need to love and honor God, but we don’t have to limit our love only towards him.
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Msg#: 3487 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 18:14:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: BILL CARLSON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3403 (Re: MESSAGES)

Well, Ha Shem moves in mysterious ways <grin>. However, my wife and two of my sons are practicing Presbyterians and that, along with my own independent studies, has given me a good working knowledge of Christian doctrine and the NT.

ka

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Msg#: 3488 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 18:21:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3397 (Re: QUESTION)

Yep. There you go again. Why is that passage appropriate? To whom is it direted?

ka

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Msg#: 3489 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 18:24:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3473 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

That’s the problem with those guys. They assume that everyone listening to them must either be Christians or become Christians or they are falling short of their standard. (By the way, “those guys” are the “Sound” Doctrine and “them” are Christian musicians. Sorry fo r the bad grammar.)

ka

P.S. What is a “Mithrandir?”

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Msg#: 3490 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 01:45:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: <-:

Test 1
Test 2
Test 3

-=> Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord! <=-

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Msg#: 3536 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 05:59:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3489 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

> I believe we need to love and honor God, but we > don’t have to limit our love only towards him.

. Just as a point of note, aren’t we told to Love Him “with all your heart, soul, mind and strength”? If you love Him with *ALL* of that, how much love is left over for yourself, your neighbor, etc?

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Msg#: 3650 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 18:19:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: ALL
Subj: POOTERS

HEY YOU! WHATS UP WIT’ YOU DORK? KIDDING GOSH CANT YA TAKE A JOKE???????????? ANYWAY WHAT IM REALLY RYING TO SAY IS:

COME POST ON THE SPORTS BOARD.
ALL YOU GUYS GOTTA START GETTING OUT MORE!! DONT BE SITTING ON YER BUTUX.
EVEN IF YOU HATE SPORTS IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKW YOU KILL, CMON AND TELL US ABOUT IT ON THE SPORTS BOARD, BUPIES!
I TELL YA DO IT NOW AND YOU WILL GET IT OVER WITH EARLY —–K—– I TELL YA DO IT NOW AND YOU WILL FEEL BETTER! AND IT MIGHT VEN IMROVE YER SPORTS LIKINGNESS. WOW WHAT A WORD.
NOW SPELL “COME” VERY GOOD.
NOW SPELL “TO” VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL “THE” VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL “SPORTS” VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL “BOARD” VERY GOOD
NOW SPELL “NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW” VERY GOOD INDEED! NOW PUT IT ALL TOGETHER..

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Msg#: 3664 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 11:58:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3487 (Re: MESSAGES)

Really? What type of practicing, Presbyterians? Conservative/Independent, or what ‘synod/branch?
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Msg#: 3671 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 08:44:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3536 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

If we love Him with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, doesn’t that simply mean that we are to love him as much as we are capable of loving someone, rather than “using up” all of our love on him. I don’t see how it would be possible to use up your love! Are you saying that one can’t even love his/her own spouse?

Steve
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Msg#: 3673 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 08:55:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3671 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

No problem (about the bad grammar) it didn’t bother me at all. Actually it is kind of a pet peeve of mine that on this echo everyone types in perfect grammar and everyone always corrects their spelling errors! I mean this is a social activity and not an official paper we are writing–just make it legible!! Have fun!!!!! O.K. I think I’ve got my point across! <ha ha>

Oh, sorry for the alias! Quest is mostly an alias-type-of-board and I forget to sign my name on the echo messages. To answer your question Ken, Mithrandir is a character in J.R.R. Tolkien’s action-fantasy fiction series of books. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3674 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 08:57:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3673 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

OOps see what i mean? My real name is Steve Schram, so if I ever forget to sign a message just kind of mentally stick that there, please!

Steve Schram
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Msg#: 3702 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 17:06:27
From: RUTHANNE PRINCE
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3472 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)

It’s not a matter of cars or books, but where our heart is at with those things. Either we serve our Master or we don’t. There’s no middle ground. Sincerely,
Ruthanne
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Msg#: 3723 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 00:59:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: KING CASPIAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3650 (Re: POOTERS)

. Please take you invitations to the Sports section to the Local area. This is an echo area that is carried by hundreds of BBS’s around the world so such invitations are not appropriate here. Thank you.

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Msg#: 3726 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 01:23:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3674 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

> I don’t see how it would be possible to use up your love! Are > you saying that one can’t even love his/her own spouse?

. You will notice that I phrased it as a question. Just testing. <grin> However, if we love HaShem with all of our “heart, mind, soul and strength” then our love for others will be directed through HaShem and will not be independant of that love. That was what I was getting at.

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Msg#: 3729 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 10:13:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2192 (Re: PETRA)

Hi Jon!
You’re right, Petra’s new singer IS John Schlitt, has been since ‘Back to the Street’ three albums ago……however….he is not from Kansas, can’t remember where he IS from exactly……Kansas gave us Kerry Livgren tho, who started

the band AD after doing a few solos. Kansas themselves were pretty good with songs like Dust in the Wind, Carry on Wayward Son, Hold On and The End of the Age. Some definate Spiritual influences in those boys lives, mostly due to Livgren.
Chris |<
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Msg#: 3730 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 10:19:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: DAVID HAGINS
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 1969 (Re: THE LENGTH OF A MANS HAIR)

Excellent response brother!!!!!!

GOD rules!!!!

(not barbers!)

Chris |<
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Msg#: 3731 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 10:22:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2029 (Re: DION)

You hit the nail on the head bro!
Chris |<
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Msg#: 3732 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 14:53:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3400 (Re: STRYPER)

Do you wear the Robe and stuff that Jesus wore back then? — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3733 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 11:36:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: ROB ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3732 (Re: STRYPER)

Amen bro!

—Chris |<.
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Msg#: 3734 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 11:44:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3733 (Re: STRYPER)

Seth, I realize it’s been a while since you wrote this, but I like your style!!!!! We are supposed to be ‘a peculiar people’ and ‘the salt of the earth’, not a bunch of ‘thou shalt not’ fuddie-duddies who get a kick out of witch-hunts and have copetitions for the most sour expressions!!!

In Him, (He even drank occassionally!…<gasp!>)

—Chris |<.
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Msg#: 3735 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 17:30:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: ALL
Subj: IS THIS SEEN IN DETROIT?

looking for a christian bbs with this meeting in detroit. Can anyone help? — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3736 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 22:32:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3734 (Re: STRYPER)

-]> Could you really call a band “Christian” whose pants are so tight you -]> can tell whether or not they have been circumcised? -]>

I was going to laugh, but I do remember the “You shall know them by thier fruits” passage in the Bible. Stryper tends to come off as secular as you can get sometimes, and it does make me wonder sometimes as to thier purpose in God’s plan. Now if they dropped the “Look” that most metal bands have, they would have a great leap in the right direction. Most of thier music is pretty good, but untill I see them change thier image, they are in the same boat with the rest of the secular world. Mind you I do listen to WhiteCross, and Petra, but if you see them in concert or on a poster, you will know the difference right away.

Mike

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Msg#: 3737 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 22:56:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: TEST

-]> Would all boards reading this msg please respond. I would like to see -]> what the area covered by this echo is. would you also please include -]> the approx. numbers of users
-]>

Area: Arlington, Va (about half a stones throw from Wahsington D.C.) Number of users: About 175 right now. (according to OOPS) Mike

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Msg#: 3738 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 23:04:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3736 (Re: STRYPER)

-]> THAT is precisely my point. Just because Heavy Metal musicians -]> STRYPER play heavy metal, same as Twisted Sister, or Lita Ford, does -]> NOT make them the “…SAME AS…” them. Just as Mike Warnke is a -]> comedian, and Eddie Murphy is a comedian. It is not the media that is -]> important, it is the message.

First of all the difference between Mike Warnke and Eddie Murphy is like day and night. Now with Stryper and Twisted Sister or Lita Ford the difference starts to look kinda gray. Sure the message is different, but LOOK at the on stage performance and posters for all the above. You will see what I mean. There is NOTHING wrong with the format used to get God’s message across, (I was planning to put my Les Paul to some such work, on my 4 track) but you have to live the lifestyle too. On stage as well as off stage.

Mike

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Msg#: 3739 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 23:10:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3738 (Re: STRYPER)

-]> Jesus himself had long hair.

Find me that scripture that states just that. I can’t seem to find anything that would contradict God’s wording about long hair.

-]> What about the scripture that states -]> that women are to wear their head covered. I think we need to do more -]> than just read the versus. It behoves us to be familiar with the -]> laws, customs and situations of the times that the bible was written.

Nope, you have to be familiar with the word. Let the Holy Spirit show you the interpretation of God’s word.

-]> Just because a musician has long hair does not mean that they cannot -]> preach/sing the good news. Mike Warnke has long hair, Billy Graham, -]> now, even has hair longer hair than a lot of preachers. Who is to -]> determine what the exact length is that determines “long” hair from -]> hair of an acceptable length? YOU? I doubt it. I bet my hair is -]> even shorter than yours!

Long hair is not an offence to God UNLESS you do it in rebellion. Now before you freak out, think and really pray on that. I have long hair (well, it’s cut over my ears, and the back was left to grow long. I had to make sure though that I was NOT rebelling agenst anyone or using my hair as some sort of statement. In my case it was letting my hair get shaggy, and really horrible looking because it offended my dad. I have it looking neat now, because I wanted it that way, and I still keep it long. One more thing, if I could get more folks turned on to Jesus by shaving my head, I woulden’t hesitate for a second. Just be ready to give it up if God asks you to. Remember that it is YOUR life that is a witness to you life in Christ, and if required I will do an ything to keep appearences up. Have a good day in the Lord… Mike

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Msg#: 3740 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 23:26:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: ALL
Subj: BEFORE I FORGET

This is a test of my point’s system to be able to communicate with the BBS also on the same LAN system to communicate with the ROCK-ON-LINE echo.

Mike

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Msg#: 3741 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 14:41:00
From: DEBBIE CLEMENT
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3740 (Re: BEFORE I FORGET)

I get you loud and clear here in Omaha!

Shalom!

Deb
— TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3742 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 16:20:00
From: DAVID HAGINS
To: JACK SHARP
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3739 (Re: STRYPER)

Jack….did you not read the rest of my message? You say you don’t listen to those groups. And that they are just mere sensationalists(sp). I listened to them. I Knew the words. I Knew the message behind the thoughts. Most of the time the message was bold & very intentional(sp).
It is plainly stated that Satan is Lord in their songs. Kiss had a song called God of Thunder which sang about Satan being the ruler of rock & roll and that through rock & roll the Devil would slowly rob you of your soul. I guess that they could sing faborably about Satan & satanism and not be a part of it …. GIVE ME A BREAK.
Why do you defend these groups with whom you have not the experiences with them that I and others former satanists have had. The words are real. A lot of young people (me included) Thought the same way that you promote….it’s just words….they only do it ’cause of the money…people take their words the wrong way. And then slowly the Devil started reelin’ me in.

If this isn’t enough…I can give you some other quotes from some more satanic songs, if you’d like.

GOD Rules,

Dave
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Msg#: 3743 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 18:38:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: Re: JESUS’ HAIR

-]> It doesn’t have to scriptural to be true, it can be traditional and -]> historical. We know, through other historical records that the men of -]> those times wore there hair mostly at shoulder length.

Ah, but was Jesus just like “other” men of the times? Now that I know via scripture NOT to be true.
Mike

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Msg#: 3744 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 18:42:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: DEBBIE CLEMENT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3741 (Re: BEFORE I FORGET)

-]> I get you loud and clear here in Omaha! -]>

Hey Deb, what’s the rule on connects with this conference? I got a couple of Christian BBS’s that would love to have this echo. Mike

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Msg#: 3745 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 00:47:00
From: RYAN PAGE
To: KEITH STANDIFER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3742 (Re: STRYPER)

EID:ff37 12f905f3
Thank you for that post. It’s people like that who make me want to grow my hair as long as it will get.

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Msg#: 3746 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 01:08:00
From: RYAN PAGE
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3291 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

EID:ff37 12f90916
Thank you for posting that. I listen to stuff that would make Mssrs. Williams and NAME DELETED wet their shorts (Vengeance, Deliverance, The Crucified, Believer,etc.) but I do not reject all other Christian Rock simply because it does not appeal to my personal tastes. I just read their posts tonight, and I almost went through the wall. As a matter of fact, I have a headache as a direct result of the aggravation their holier-than-thou attitude gave me. thank you for clarifying where they REALLY stand for me, as I would not even known where to START refuting what they were saying. I look forward to being a part of this board znd I hope that your series of posts will help get things on an even keel.

Hodge Podge
aka Ryan Page

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Msg#: 3747 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 12:28:00
From: DEBBIE CLEMENT
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3744 (Re: BEFORE I FORGET)

You might send a msg to Jeff Johnson as he is my feed. I don’t remember the name of the Co-ordinator/Moderator of this echo, though.

Shalom!

Deb
— TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3748 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 09:30:00
From: PAT MULCAHY
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: GOOD LUCK WITH GLAD

> I think I said it all in the subject header!

Thanks, I’ll need it.

-Pat

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Msg#: 3749 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 11:05:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: FREE MUSIC!

WANT TO WIN FREE MUSIC????

THE ‘ROCK’ ON-LINE has music cassettes to give away as part of the summer challenge: to challenge you to listen to another category of Christian music other than what you are used to listening to.

The Trivia Challenges are one way to win free music. Can anyone suggestion another?

That’s right. I am asking YOUT to suggest some other ways that T’R’OL can give away the opportunity to hear more Christian music.

P.S. If you’re idea is used, you’ll get a music cassette as well.

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Msg#: 3750 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 11:05:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: BIG NEWS!!!!

BIG NEWS!

STAY TUNED here!

THE ‘ROCK’ ON-LINE MAGAZINE will be making some major announcements with the next few weeks and using this echo to post them on.

Be assured that these announcements will be of major interest to its readers.

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Msg#: 3751 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 11:07:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: JULY MUSIC TRIVIA CHALLENGE GAME

  1. What year did Keith Green die?
  2. How many songs are included in Keith Green’s THE MINISTRY YEARS VOL I lp?
  3. Who wrote “EASTER SONG” which has been recorded by Keith Green, GLAD, and others?
  4. What Christian singer has been called the ‘Protestant Version of John Michael Talbot’?
  5. Bonnie Keen and Renee Garcia are former back-up singers to what Christian female artist?
  6. What is the name of the Christian band that Gary McSpadden and Bill Gather formed?
  7. What Christian trio has also sung such commercial jingles as >Pepsi<, >Diet Orange Crush<, and >Dodge<?
  8. In 1986, Larnelle Harris won a Grammy for song he recorded with Sandi Patti. Name it.
  9. Who sang the hit version of the beautiful Christian music ballad, “UNDIVIDED”?
  10. In 1986, John Schlitt joined what popular Christian rock group as their lead singer?
  11. What is significant about Keith Green’s song “JESUS COMMANDS US TO GO” being released on 7-20-84?
  12. Larnelle Harris sang the title song for the movie based on the life of Charles Colson. Name the movie/song title.
  13. The following songs can be found on which Sheila Walsh lp: “JESUS LOVES THE CHURCH”, “HOPE FOR THE HOPELESS”, “LOVE IS THE ANSWER”?
  14. Ric Florian is a member of what famous Christian rock group?
  15. What Christian instrumentalist recently put out his first solo vocal lp called >PILGRIMAGE<?

DEADLINE: AUGUST 16th, 1989.

Please be sure to read the Rules on how to enter before entering the challenge. You can find an excerpt of the rules in the July issue of the magazine. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3752 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 11:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: JULY BIBLE TRIVIA CHALLENGE GAME

THE BIBLE TRIVIA CHALLENGE FOR THE MONTH OF JULY!

  1. What name is above every name?
  2. No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by whom?
  3. What does the Greek word Christos mean?
  4. In Zechariah 3:8, who is >the Branch<?
  5. Who did the Apostle Paul refer to by the name, “The Last Adam”?
  6. The name “Wonderful” was first used in the Bible in what OT book?
  7. When/how was it used?
  8. In which scripture would you find the following: “I AM THAT I AM”?
  9. Who is the “bright and morning star”?
  10. Complete this, “Jesus said unto them, ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham…….”.
  11. From which Book is the verse of question 10 found in?
  12. What is said to be Job’s favorite name for God?
  13. Start this scripture, “______________, whoever enters through me will be saved.
  14. Which NT book will you find the scripture of question 13?
  15. Which epistle is the longest of Paul’s letters?

DEADLINE: AUGUST 16th, 1989.

If you want to play please check RULES OF PLAY and good luck! — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3753 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 14:17:00
From: AL PETERSEN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: LOOK WHO’S HERE!

Well Diane, see i’m here on Joe Brown’s Bbs, I have just captured ALL of the TROL msgs, and will try to put them up on the BIT-STop BBs for you. Now I want to leave a msg. to Joe and see if there is a posibility there is a way for me to not have page lengts so when I capture the text files It won’t pause after every 66 lines. See you on the BIT-STop. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3754 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 11:15:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: PAUL KNUPKEJR
Subj: Re: AMY GRANT – IN NYC!

If you will be there or know anyone else who will and want to write up a review for the magazine, by all means please do so.

I have heard from a reader of the magazine, who does not have access to this base, that she just appeared in NJ. He was at the concert and will write up a review about it.

I am anxious to know all your opinions of Amy’s concerts.

Recently, someone told me (as an insider) that although Amy’s hope is to appeal to a broader audience (the way Dion does) in reality most in attendance of her shows are Christians and they are outraged at the price of her tickets. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3755 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 16:18:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3745 (Re: STRYPER)

I am trying to put a list together of some of the Christian performers that users would like to see interviewed/featured in future issues of the magazine, are there any performers than you listen to? that you like.

I think we have established those who you don’t care for. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3756 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 16:22:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALPINE
Subj: Re: TEST

Alpine, please send me (here’s a good place) the times your bbs is in operation, which bauds it supports, and its telephone #. I want to include it in the directory of bbses to read T’R’OL on and the echo as well. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3757 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/16/89 16:23:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DEBBIE CLEMENT
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3756 (Re: TEST)

Debbie, if I already asked you this and your answer is forthcoming …please excuse this repeat. Just that I am trying to get the Anniversary issue out and want to make sure that I have the info on the newcomers like your bbs. Please send the #, times of operation and bauds you support. Thanks. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3758 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 09:38:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: PAT MULCAHY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3748 (Re: GOOD LUCK WITH GLAD)

Happy Birthday to Pat

Happy Birthday to Pat

Happy Birthday to Pat

Happy Birthday to Pat

(Just in case anyone out there is wondering…today is Pat Mulcahy, sysop of Generic BBS, birthday)
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3759 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 16:53:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR – PLEASE READ!

TO ALL USERS: IMPORTANT PLEASE READ!

It is my desire to keep ‘R’OL an echo that is pleasing to the Lord, & that gives Him glory as we discuss topics that reflect Him. I have personally intended that this echo be a place where Christians who listen to Christian music can discuss it openly without fearing that someone who doesn’t like it is going to jump down their throats. I’ve never intended it to be a place for flaming discussions – there are echoes just for that. Up until a few weeks ago, I thought that flaming conversations only occurred among believers and non-believers. Of all echoes on computer, this is NOT the one for judgements or repetitive arguements; if any disagreements are to be had here, I used to think it would concern whether Amy sings better than Sandi! In my mind, ‘R’OL is a forum from which to learn, and understand each other better through the music & the people whose ministries strive to bring people to the Lord.

I’ve always considered ‘R’OL echo to be like the little church or meeting place down the block. People see it. People walk by it. All are invited. Some come. Some don’t. But for those who do, the welcome mat on the door expresses to all that in this place ‘God is glorified’.

My thoughts as the moderator of this echo is that aside from being a >Between Issues< place that serves in keeping Christian music fans informed on the latest news from the world of Christian music – it is also a ‘Letters to the Editor Plus’, because unlike a printed magazine, here not only can you start conversations with the Magazine Editor, you can also do so with other readers. You know, to exchange ideas, hear opinions other than your own, etc.

If you are NOT a Christian and you have been posting messages to get your non-Christian feelings across, I am asking you to PLEASE find another echo/base to do so in. ‘R’OL is NOT the place. If you are a Christian, please consider the person who will be receiving your message as you write it. This is not the place for ‘judging’ each other by the music you listen to. This is an echo for people who like/listen to Christian music to discuss various aspects of it. We as Christians need to be standing together as one. Celebrating our similiarities and accepting our differences.

If you have a problem with this and want to know why you must comply or find another echo to express your views in – Consider this: because I am the moderator of this echo and I say so – that’s why – and if that isn’t enough for you, than lets get down to what it is really all about, shall we? Read: 1Cor 12: 12-26, Lk 6:41-42, and 1Cor 13: 1-13).

It is my hope that this echo will continue to flourish with conversation that is pleasing and helpful to all who read it. I would hope that all who are currently participating, will continue to do so. I also want to thank all of you who try to maintain peace here. Thank you from my heart.

In His Service,

Diane Gambino
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3760 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 14:22:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: AL PETERSEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3753 (Re: LOOK WHO’S HERE!)

What a great plug Al! And for all t~rhe others who might not have realized that you are the sysop of Bit Stop BBS, let me also include your # 718-748-0977. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3761 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 14:34:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALPINE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3755 (Re: STRYPER)

Amazing as it might seem, I have received private mail from so-called athiests who read T’R’OL out of curiosity. The 2 names that come up from people who consider themslves athiests the most often…let me rephrase that…with in those messages, the artists whose names always come up are Steve Taylor and Michael Card. Frankly, I don’t know what to think esp about their interest in Mike Card since he is usually very scriptural in what he has to say; however I can see where they might think for a minute that Steve Taylor just might be on their side, and whether they understand what he’s really about or not, they want to know more about him.
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3762 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/17/89 21:13:00
From: AL PETERSEN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3760 (Re: LOOK WHO’S HERE!)

Hi, Diane,{now I have gotton ahold of you here on FJ, thanks for the plug and hopefully some of the users here will call my BBS 718-748-0977 24 hours at 300/1200/2400 bps with 2 plone lines at the present time. .
BIT-STop BBs Brooklyn NY. 718-748-0977
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3763 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 12:32:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: BIRTHDAYS

Diane,
. Just in case you or anyone else is interested 🙂 MY birthday is November 21, 1938. Yeah, I’m getting on but still young at heart! — TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3764 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 12:35:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR – PL

Diane,
. Well spoken sister! I had noticed the trend, but felt it was not my place to comment. Hope we can go back to enjoying each others’ company. — TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3765 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 09:50:00
From: PAT MULCAHY
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3758 (Re: GOOD LUCK WITH GLAD)

> (Just in case anyone out there is wondering…today is Pat > Mulcahy, sysop of Generic BBS, birthday)

Thank you. 🙂

-Pat

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Msg#: 3766 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 09:56:00
From: PAT MULCAHY
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOGETH

> Would appreciate some scriptural support for this position.

I’d be happy to, Tim, but I don’t play those games. And it does get to be a game: “my biblical reference is better than yours.”

It basically comes down to the fact that some people have a fundamentalist view of Scripture. I don’t. So either we argue our brains out, or we agree to disagree.

Agreeing to disagree doesn’t necessarily mean that the other person is completely wrong, or that the other person is unChristian, or that the other person doesn’t know Scripture or the Lord.

-Pat

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Msg#: 3767 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 18:14:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3761 (Re: STRYPER)

Mike,
better watch your woe to this and woe to that or sometime someplace someone may walk up to you and say ” Woe, to you because you don’t dress like I do.” In all honesty, do you really know what clothes Jesus would wear today. Would it be a pinstripe 3 piece suit or maybe a sportjacket. I really don’t know, I must admit, STYRPER is not modest in their dress (My standard). However, I don’t think they are going to hell for their perceived immodesty. What about the prophet (the name escapes me) who ran around the countryside without a stich of clothing. Surely, everyone knew for sure if he was circumcised. I’m sure the religious leaders went around searching Scripture to see if this guy was for real. The point is, God led him to do that. Maybe I’m all wrong, (I will admit I’m often wrong and I do accept the reasoning of others, as long as I see it as reasonable.) but is it possible STRYPER has a call from God to be the way they are? ( I may be stretching it a little here. This may be a stretch, because if a group says they are called by God to be His representative in an arena don’t you think that the representative would try to be more clear in their representation?) — TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3768 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 18:29:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3767 (Re: STRYPER)

Tim,
I must have missed your message. How long is too long? I’ll try to be civil in this matter? In my OPINION, stryper is not in sin as outwardly signified by their hair. Tim, you have continually used a certain Scripture, I believe, out of context. The Scripture in question is 1 Cor. 11:14. It states, “
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?” First of all, the Scripture is about the custom of head coverings for women. That Scripture is to help illustrate Paul’s concern. Notice, that Paul looks to nature, and not Scripture to show that he thinks long hair on man is unnatural. Why? Because Paul knows that Scripture does not say that long hair is a sin in all instances. As a matter of fact, part of the Nazaritte vow was long hair ( at least for a season). Jesus himself was a Nazaritte. Their is a good possibility that he had at one time in his life….LONG HAIR. Anyway, back to the passage in verse 16 of the same chapter Paul says, “But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, n either the churches of God.” The major point of this whole verse, is that Paul calls it a CUSTOM, it is not a mandate from God, i.e. Scripture. The Churches had that CUSTOM, Paul wished that it would stay that way, However, He did not invoke a Scriptural command to short hair. If short hair were an indication of someone’s obedience to God, why would the Nazarittes be told to commit such a sin? You know (I’m sure) that the debate the 1st century Christians had concerning circumcision was basically a debate of legalism and true piety. True piety does not cloth itself and in conformity to the legal statutes of man, but rather to the truth of Christ. Tim, once you said that the point of your comments about hair was that you wanted to show that STYPER could not obey God in the most BASIC of Christs commands. I’m sorry, but hair length is not a basic tenet or command of Christ. It is neither fundamental to salvation or necessary for continued Christian growth. Tim, while you’re cutting your hair to the Christian length ( remember the old song, “They’ll know we are Christians by our hair.?”) be creative and think of this verse. “Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, whyam I still being persecuted? in that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. As for those agitators, I wish they would to the whole way and emasculate themselves!” Gal. 5:11,12 ( I did read vs.13. Tim, I’m concerned about your attitude. read vs 15 of Gal. 5 “If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.” I hope we don’t destroy each other Tim. I don’t think that the hair business is as significant as you do. On the other hand, there is a place for modesty.
Since, this whole thing came up to find out what we all thought of heavy metal Christian music. Here’s my two cents worth: TOO LOUD! But may God bless those who like it and are saved through it.
Bless you Tim,
mark
— TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3769 *ROCK ON LINE*
06/26/89 20:20:00
From: DAVE BROWN
To: RON APPEL
Subj: Re: MIDI-SEQUENCING

My sequences could be, the trouble is, I have no way to send them to a cassette, which is the only way you can load them to a MMT-8. Unless you have a Midi disk drive? Anyway, I’ve admired the K1. how do you like it? — QuickBBS v2.03
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Msg#: 3770 *ROCK ON LINE*
06/28/89 00:48:00
From: JASON WAIBEL
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOGE

In my opinion, there’s nothing wrong with it.

I feel that whoever opens up for them in concert is a band, just as is the christian band. What that group is based on should not make much difference, unless of course the band has satanic type influences..

But for just an average regular group to open for a christian group, I feel it is fine, and will broaden the audience, and maybe draw more people to become more involved or at least informed in religion.

JW
— QuickBBS v2.03
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Msg#: 3771 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 09:45:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3763 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)

If today is your birthday or if your birthday is coming up…let us know ahead of time so we can all wish you a HAPPY BIRTHDAY! — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3772 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 08:19:00
From: KEVIN ROY
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3754 (Re: AMY GRANT – IN NYC!)

-> does) in reality most in attendance of her shows are -> Christians and they are outraged at the price of her -> tickets.

Well I can vouch for that myself. I have seen that response quite a few times. In fact the way things are going right now, I could NOT afford to attend a concert that costed $17.50(+svc chg). Have you heard any information as to why Amy(& Assoc.) decided such an outrageous price for her concert?

]<evin
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3773 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 18:05:00
From: PAUL KNUPKEJR
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3772 (Re: AMY GRANT – IN NYC!)

I don’t think I’ll be able to go, but I know several friends in my church choir / youth group which I am sure plan to go. My sister would go but cannot afford it at this time… I’d like to go myself..

Paul
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3774 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 18:08:00
From: PAUL KNUPKEJR
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3768 (Re: STRYPER)

-> It is in refrence to there Hair. This man belives if you -> don’t cut your hair you are hell bound. The problem is he -> won’t say how long is long. ..Do you think he is a barber? A small comment on this: I cannot see how people ‘catoragize’ people with long hair as ‘bad’ or ‘satanic’ or likewise. Look at how people duing Jesus’ own time and their hair, (length etc). I’d like to know where these people get these “hairbrianed ideas”..

Paul
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3775 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/18/89 11:00:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WATTS
Subj: MUSICIANS

Tim, I hope that as you start to feel better you will become more active here as I know that there are users who read this base who are aspiring Christian musicians/si ngers/songwriters and I know that you have a great deal of past-experience type information that you can share with them. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3776 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 10:17:00
From: AL PETERSEN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: T’R’OL BASE.

Diane, in requset I am transposing my msg to you about what is going on on the ROL base, and it is only my opinion.
This msg was posted on the BIT-STop BBs, ;
;
Yes, I had to agree with what your other BBs SysOp’s had to say about the grossness (is that a real word? Hmmmm) of some of those msgs.. Quite a few didn’t even belong th the T’R’OL sig, it seemed like the people were on a witch hunt more than engauging in a convo. about Christian music. I don’t know how the other BBs SysOp’s run their BBs or which type of software they are using, but here on the BIT-Stop I can either remove a msg. or transfer it to another sig area. Some of the msgs. I have read should have been put in the general area or a special sig called CHEAP SHOTS at THY NEIGHBOR!! .
Al Petersen, SysOp, BIT-STop BBs, Brooklyn NY 718-748-0977 — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3777 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/19/89 10:39:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN ROY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3773 (Re: AMY GRANT – IN NYC!)

Amy’s concerts are handled by a ‘secular’ management company. By that I mean that even if you wanted to set up an interview wih her, you can’t just call the record company as you would with most other Christian music performers – she is kinds sorta a ‘secular’ Christian artist. Bascially, when you get down to it – all it really does is make life more difficult for journalists to get thru to these people, etc.

In fact, just the other day I was talking to the head of publicity at Sparrow Records. We were talking about the fact that just about 2 years ago, I got a letter from Michael Card telling me that he had read a copy of T’R’OL and that he liked it very much and agreed to be interviewed by me. He told me to set it up with ‘his ministry people’ who handle that for him. I tried 4 different times – I even sent them a copy of the letter he had sent me – they kept saying that he was too busy.

I think I understand more about why there are so many people ‘in charge’ of one Christian artist now that I have spoken to Trace & Joel Balin. It seems that unless you are ‘Amy Grant’ in quotes, once you re-cord the lp for the record company, they stop publicity there. The rest is up to you – so I guess artists want as much exposure as possible to compete with everyone else that they hire so many people and then there are many indians and few chiefs.

Ever since Amy started getting real popular she is handled by a fellow who has offices in NY and Los Angeles which is not how most contemporary gospel artists operate.
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3778 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 01:53:00
From: MICHAEL HOLMAN
To: DAVE LEIBOLD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3731 (Re: DION)

Cliff did a film called Penny something it had a spiritual plot did anyone see this. I think the video is at Christian Publications on 43rd and 8th. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3779 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 02:02:00
From: MICHAEL HOLMAN
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: BALTIMORE IS BACK!

By way of new artist, while at a music convention in philly, COGIC’s UNAC to be exact I met an artist called Andre Hudson. I was very impressed with his music and bought one of his tapes. I had never heard of him before, but while listening to his tape I sold that he had true commitment in his music to God. Yes Artists are putting God first in there songs. Praise Him! — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3780 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 07:43:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3488 (QUESTION)

Diane,
. For almost a year, I have been looking for the sheet music to a song I have occasionally heard on WMBI in Chicago. I have no idea why it took me so long to figure out that right here is the logical place to ask! . I have heard this song done by both a female vocalist and possibly a quartet or vocal ensemble. In all cases I have missed the artist, and even the “official” name of the song. The opening line of the chorus is, “Praise the Lord, He never changes …” I’d love to find the sheet music, as the harmonies are beautiful and modern. It would make a great choir piece! Anyone recognize this song? Thanks in advance.
— TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3781 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 13:04:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: ALL
Subj: LARRY NORMAN ABLUMS

I have really appreciated over the years Larry Norman’s music. I am presently looking for some of his old albums. In particular, “Streetlevel” and “bootleg.” Also, if anyone knows the whereabouts of any of his two PEOPLE! ablums, I would like to hear from you. THANKS, mark — TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3782 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 08:47:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3778 (Re: DION)

I am not sure which one you are referring to. I have seen one – something about the subways, but since I don’t listen to top 40 radio stations I don’t know which is the latest off the Dion lp.
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3783 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 08:51:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3774 (Re: STRYPER)

I don’t think that a Michael Card or Keith Green video would ever make it to where MTV might decide to carry it. However, D&K are Christian hard-rockers who have a large following. Frankly, I don’T know HOW they got selected for airing on MTV but it resulted in the song 666 being re-shot (the video) that is into a better visual interpretation – the group themselves thought so and I (having seen both) agree.

Makes me realize that the Lord how much the Lord isn’t limited and how He can work good from any situation.
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3784 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 08:53:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3729 (Re: PETRA)

I know the one you mean. It is good. And I really like THIS MEANS WAR — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3785 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 08:55:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3771 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)

Whenever anyone tells you you’re old (think of it this way) – we in Christ live forever so even when we’re in our 60’s and 70’s and 80’s we’re still just babes. Everything is relevant. from 1 to forever – 60 or even 80 is closer to 1 than it is to forever.

The above might sound weird but if you think about it, the way the Lord does – nah you’re not old Doug!
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3786 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 08:57:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3764 (Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR – PL)

Please speak up anytime you feel like it.

And another thing I would like to tell you and everyone else here is > please don’t feel you must respond to every message, even if it is flagged for you <. I don’t want anyone here feeling badly about logging on here…this is NOT the intention of the echo.
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3787 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 20:52:00
From: KEVIN ROY
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3782 (Re: DION)

Well like I said, so far you have not even touched on the lyrical content of his new album. You are saying that because he is now a “secular” musician, he is no longer of God no matter what he sings about.

I will not comment any more on the DION issue mainly because I do not have the facts and you have already made up your mind.

I hope since you are so caught up in not being “of this world” that you do not hold a secular job, drive a secular car, watch secular television, read secular newspapers, wear secular clothing, etc…….

]<evin
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3788 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 21:03:00
From: KEVIN ROY
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: WHAT?

Tim,
As you know this is a SIG for people who enjoy and listen to some type of Christian music. Yet, so far I have only seen you tear down a few Christian groups. SO, please enlighten us with a more positive message, like maybe WHAT GROUPS DO YOU LIKE AND LISTEN TO AND WHY?????

]<evin
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3789 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 14:49:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3783 (Re: STRYPER)

In one message you are thanking me…

in the next message you’re asking me if I am for real?

Yes, I am for real. How about you?
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3790 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 14:59:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DAVE LEIBOLD
Subj: Re: JOYFUL SOUNDS/COUNTY LINE NEWS

What is county lines?
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3791 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 15:01:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 2163 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

I have heard of MASTEDON. But I cannot remember what I have heard about them or if I have heard them sing. Are they heavy metal? — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3792 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 15:06:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: Re: DOGS OF DOGMA

Tim, need I remind you…this is an echo on CHRISTIAN MUSIC – any other conversation does not belong on this echo.

Thanks.
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3793 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 15:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: Re: MORE INVOLVEMENT

Actually, the areas that I would like this echo to discuss for the CHristian music industry to see/know about include things like whether Glad should do another a capella type lp or whether all of Rez’s music should be considered heavy metal. That’s along the lines of the involvement I was talking about.

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Msg#: 3794 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/20/89 15:13:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: SHELBY WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3784 (Re: PETRA)

Shelby hello! Welcome to this base. Since it sure looks as though you haven’t read what it is all about, let me be the first to tell you that it is about and for people who enjoy CHristian music…it is about people who are being lead to God by music ministries and Christian singers….

from the sound of your message, I don’t think that this is the place where you should be leaving your comments.

I have to think of the rest of the people here, those I consider a Christian fellowship of believers who are in favor of the music.

I have spent enough messages explaining what this base is all about. Please be the type of person I am sure you are and don’t leave messages that you and I know the people on this echo will not appreciate.

Thank you.
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3795 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/21/89 06:58:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3785 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)

Diane,
. Thank you for those words of wisdom. As I said, most of the time I don’t FEEL old, except maybe early Monday mornings. 🙂 — TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3796 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/21/89 16:30:00
From: MARK KILCOYNE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: THANKS

Diane,
I just wanted to let you know that I have appreciated this echo. I really enjoy Christian music and the diversity they bring to the Christian community. I know that this echo has been used for some pretty silly discussions. ( I have at times jumped in on these) I just want to apologize for using this echo to air my frustrations at those who do not enjoy or even consider Christian some of the artists who may be discussed on this echo. Again, I really have enjoyed some of the discussions on this echo. Mark Kilcoyne — TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3797 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/21/89 11:46:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DAVE BROWN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3769 (Re: MIDI-SEQUENCING)

I for one am not familiar with the term ‘sequenced’, could you please explain it? Thanks
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3798 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 11:48:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3796 (Re: THANKS)

Mark THANK YOU and everyone else who keeps on supporting this echo. Yes, I know what you mean about jumping in. There were times when I have wanted to do the same. Some people might mis-interpret why I don’t usually do that…this is not a catch-all for everyone, but I contemplate on the ‘quiet strength’ of Jesus alot of the time. There were so many times that He knew he was right and yet He didn’T say anything…and most times I try to be like that – some people might consider that to be a sign of weakness or defeat – however, I consider it a sign of strengh. Just because you feel you’re right, if saying it can start WW3 – it is strengh that makes you walk away. Strengh and prays. If anyone thinks that I don’t pray about this echo…let me set them straight now…I do!

Now, let me explain my sentiments insofar as, I don’t want you to feel badly because you jumped right in…in fact, I am so glad you did.

There’s a song that I *love*. It is sung by Trace Balin and called “We Are An Army”. Boy! That one and even her other song, “We Need Each Other” fit into this echo recently. I want to thank you ALL for standing up for what you believe in….what this echo stands for, and what I try to bring forth thru it.

My hope is that we can ALL continue to be on it…only some of us might make note that our beliefs/feelings no matter how much we believe that we are right and this is the way for all to go…it doesn’T give us the right to keep writing about it, even after the majority want us to stop!

Again…thanks for showing your support! Please keep posting messages! — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3799 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 12:07:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: A LITTLE LATE

The anniversary issue will be a little late in coming out…only because I am expecting some information from a record company that hasn’t yet arrived…that was due to the fact the the CBA held it’s annual convention last week.

Anyway, when it comes out you’ll be able to read the funny contest winners from the “PLEASE DON’T SEND ME TO AFRICA” contest from the Scott Wesley Brown song of the same name.
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3800 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 12:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALL
Subj: FORUM

The new column for the magazine will be introduced in the forth coming Anniversary issue…it will include edited messages from this base so some of you will get to see your name in the issue. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3801 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 12:08:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: INTERVIEWS…

I got them in the mail. Thanks.
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3802 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 14:34:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: ALPINE
Subj: YOUR ONLINE ADDRESS

Alpine, is there a way that I can send you netmail? Do you use any Fidonet bbses? If so, please let me know their net/node #. Thanks. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3803 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 11:50:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3781 (Re: LARRY NORMAN ABLUMS)

Mark, I am including your message in the upcoming issue of the magazine. Since I know that it is read (the magazine that is) by Larry’s record company, perhaps someone over there will fill me in on some info that I can pass along to you.
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3804 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 11:53:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3780 (Re: QUESTION)

I don’t….sorry Doug. If only you had some more info… – want to hear something funny? I was in the same predicament a few years back (I even sang the verse in a Christian bookstore. The woman thought I was bonkers) – the opening line of my song was “I am not my own, I belong to you” so I thought the name of it was “I am not my own” and I also thought it was sung by a male. It turned out to be called (and I learned this accidentally thru T’R’OL) “I Belong to You” by KATHY Tricoli. Kathy has a deep voice.

Do you know anymore of the song? Perhaps someone else might know it? How about Pat (Mulcahy) – he sings ina choir.
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3805 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 11:59:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3791 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

I am trying to track down info on MASTEDON from their record company. If I have any, I’ll print it in the magazine.
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3806 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/23/89 12:17:00
From: DIANE GAMBINO
To: GREG SLADE
Subj: Re: RANDY STONEHILL

Awhile back you left a message about Randy Stonehill. I have been trying to get hold of someone who represents him or his manager or someway to get more info about him in the magazine. If you find out anything please let me know. If I do, I’ll post what I know here.
Ok?
— TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3807 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 07:57:00
From: DOUG MOORE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3804 (Re: QUESTION)

Diane,
. Thanks for the reply. I can relate to your experience, I did the same thing! You figure anyone can recognize the tune when you sing the first two bars right? Oh well, someone may recognize it yet. — TBBS v2.0
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Msg#: 3808 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 04:56:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3802 (Re: YOUR ONLINE ADDRESS)

. Alpine is at 8:7703/5 in the NETwork. But if you aren’t running a NETwork nodelist on your system, he will be hard to reach. What you should be able to do is address it to him at 8:7703/5 and then ROUTE the netmail to that address through 1:104/18 (that’s me). My system will hopefully pass it right along to him.
. Can’t hurt to try it at least. . Daniel . Sysop (1:104/18) <–> (8:7703/1)

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Msg#: 3849 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 07:27:24
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3473 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

No I do not assume that the whole audience listening to Stryper is Christian. On the contrary, my assumption most are not, but for the few who say they are followers of Christ, yes they will adore and praise GOD and GOD alone and appear to be set apart from the world. This the FIRST requirement that Jesus laid down for those who commmit to HIM.

Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: “If anyone comes to me and does not HATE his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters–yes, even his own life–HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE. And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:25-27)

Did you notice the “large crowds” were traveling with Jesus, but then Jesus himself clearly stated how GOD considers us lovers of GOD, by hating our very own family, and yes even our very own lives. Because he knew we must die to our concepts of love, and self-esteem and surrender totally to GOD.

>we don’t have to limit our love only towards him.

So how do we get around these words: The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with ALL YOUR HEART and with ALL YOUR SOUL, and live. (Deuteronomy 30:6) and… Love the LORD your God with ALL YOUR HEART and with ALL YOUR SOUL and with ALL YOUR STRENGTH. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates. (Deuteronomy 6:5-9)

Notice please that GOD wants A L L of our hearts, not a fraction their of. And that our relationship with GOD becomes more of OBEDIENCE to HIS loving commands. HIS promise is that we will live. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. DO WHAT IT SAYS. (James 1:22)

Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who DOES NOT LOVE ME WILL NOT OBEY MY TEACHING . These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. (John 14:23-24)

Jesus is worthy of all our love, don’t you agree? Terri — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3850 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 07:42:51
From: TERRI DAVIS
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3488 (Re: QUESTION)

Ken the scripture applies to all of us. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7) Oops, I forget you’re not the religious type. Well.. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, “`they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’ ” (Mark 4:11-12) Love, Terri — TBBS v2.1/NM
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Msg#: 3854 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 13:18:00
From: BILL CARLSON
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3789 (Re: STRYPER)

Just wanted to point out, Yeshua/Jesus, was a Nazorite [sp], but not of Nazoretic vow, two different things. However…In Torah, all Jews could take a Nazoretic vow, in fact Paul did in Acts. Then there were Nazoretic vow people from birth, as in Sampson. It involved if I remember correctly, shaving the head, growing your hair for one year, then shaving your head again at the end of the year/vow. Of course this would be differant than being dedicated permantly to a nazoretic vow.

Yeshua was a Nazoreen [sp]. from Nazoreth [sp].

Shalom
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3855 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 08:18:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3723 (Re: POOTERS)

Well their ARE people on this board who are on quest ya know!! Yes, i know my message was very wierd to say ther least but hey we need more people to post thier…
Hey why dont you call th quest and post on the sports board????? later…
King Caspian,….the…
— QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 3856 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 09:55:02
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3794 (Re: PETRA)

–
HELLO DIANE SORRY BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE THAT WAS NOT GOOD WHAT I WROTE WAS ASKING JEFF WATNEMOE WHY WOULD KIDS ATMY SCHOOL A PUBLIC SCHOOL LISTENING TO PEETRA YOU WOULD NOT THINK THEY WOULD LISTEN TO THAT CHRISTAIN MUSIC SO I WAS ASKING IF HE NEW WHY BECAUSE HE ENJOYS PETRA. PLEASE ANSWER, THANKS SHELBY

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Msg#: 3857 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 10:07:35
From: SHELBY WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3856 (PETRA)

HI AGAIN I KNOW THAT YOU LIKE PETRA I LIKE THEIR OLD MUSIC IT WAS GOOD AND I WAS WOUNDERING IF YOU LIKE THEIR OLD MUSIC OR THEIR NEW MUSIC/ I BELIVE THAT THEIR NEW MUSIC IS NOT FROM GOD AND I KNOW YOU SAID ONLY WRITE ABOUT THE MUSIC PEOPLE LIKE .. BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO WARN PEOPLE FROM THE WRONG TYPES OF GROUPS.. LIKE JEFF AND HE WROTE BACK SAYING HE DID NOT LISTEN TO NEW PETRA ONLY OLD.
MUCH GRACE AND PEACE, SHELBY

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Msg#: 3860 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 12:38:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3757 (Re: TEST)

The QUEST is up 24hours a day, 7 days a week. Telephone: (303) 429-4617
Area: Denver metro
Interests: Christian, Sports, Military, Education, On-Line Games Systems: All (Files: MS-DOS only)
SysOps: Allen Polson & Jason Johnson

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Msg#: 3861 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 12:40:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3854 (Re: STRYPER)

I would like to see more non-Christians take an interest in Christian artists like Mike and Steve Taylor. If they get hooked on their music maybe the words will sink in. They usually carry a good message.

Allen (Alpine)
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Msg#: 3862 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 12:41:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3808 (Re: YOUR ONLINE ADDRESS)

Our net/node address is 7703/5 with an area of 8. Midrash and Daniel Segard have been helping us get our echo areas in place.

Allen
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Msg#: 3863 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 12:49:00
From: ALPINE
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3860 (TEST)

The QUEST is here in Denver, CO; a mile above the rest of you guys! We have a multi-purpose system, including CHristian message areas as well as a large files area for Christians. We have about 125 regular users and are based in a Christian school.

Allen & Jason SysOp’s
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Msg#: 3864 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 13:00:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3749 (Re: FREE MUSIC!)

What about the possibility of giving away tapes to SysOp’s who have the most callers to the ROL echo during a short period, like a week. Or do a Name That Tune contest, but instead of music use the first couple or words from the chorus or first line of a song, and let other try to guess the title or performer. Or use a Wheel of Fortune format, with blanks and some filled letters of a song title to guess, or even groups or performers names. A more involved game could include a Jeopardy format where categories need to picked and then the answers are given, and we would need to guess the question. Just a few to think about!

Allen
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Msg#: 3865 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 13:04:00
From: ALPINE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3863 (Re: TEST)

The QUEST does support 300/1200 baud. Forgot to include it in the other message.

Allen
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Msg#: 3866 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 13:11:00
From: ALPINE
To: DOUG MOORE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3850 (Re: QUESTION)

Isn’t that one of Evie Tornquist (Pre-marriage name) songs, recorded probably ten years ago?

Allen
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Msg#: 3869 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 21:44:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3861 (Re: STRYPER)

A better question is whether Jesus, Himself, wore the type of clothing that “the world” wore at that time. Since it seems unlikely that He wore nothing or that he wore anything unusual (no evidence) then perhaps there are some whom would declare Jesus “worldly.” An interesting idea, eh?

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Msg#: 3870 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 21:57:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: RYAN PAGE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3746 (Re: SOUND DOCTRINE AND ROCK MUSIC)

Hodge Podge? As in Breathed’s “Hodge Podge?” 😉

Ryan, you might expect a message that will inform you that your aggravation is actually the result of “conviction,” another misdefinition, since we know that if we are convicted by the Holy Spirit the result is generally repentance, not anger or aggravation (at least, not in my experience).

I must confess that I have never heard of a couple of the groups that you mentions. As I said, I don’t pay a lot of attention to Christian “metal” simply because it does not appeal to my tastes. Even the Sound Doctrine, as well as others on this echo, DO make a valid point in asking if the lifestyles of certain groups or individuals can be indicative of their true spiritual state at the moment. I’m sure you will agree with this, as well. Though my point was that the music in and of itself is not necessarily evil just because certain groups say it is, if Stryper does indeed (and I have no evidence so I am speaking hypothetically) conduct their lifestyles in a manner inconsistent with Scripture (i.e., illicit sex, drugs, alcoholism) then they are, as a minimum, hypocritical, wouldn’t you say?

On the other hand, I have a problem with people who declare so-and-so “not a Christian” just because their music may appeal to some unBelievers whom never come to Christ as a result of listening to their recordings. Shucks, even Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell do not get EVERY sinner in the building to answer an altar call.

Thanks for the response. Keep up the good Word (chuckle!).

Dave

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Msg#: 3871 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 17:33:30
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3791 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

kind a like whitecross. Maybe a bit more refined in the production end. They are very good!! K.B.
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Msg#: 3872 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 17:41:16
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3805 (Re: NEW MUSIC)

The producers are John and Dino Elefante.(Regency music). I have a friend who works for Spectra records and he gives me some info on new music and he has turned me on to a few pre release cuts. Q-stone very hot!! Also Whitecross will have a new one very soon.. Diane don’t forget IT’S A JUNGLE OUT THERE!! GOD BLESS K.B.

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Msg#: 3876 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 02:43:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: KING CASPIAN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3855 (Re: POOTERS)

> Well their ARE people on this board who are on quest ya know!!

. I realize that, but most of the readers of this area are spread across areas other than Denver. As such, your message would have been better in your local area.

> Hey why dont you call th quest and post on the sports board?????

. Because I have nothing to say in regards to sports, so my message would be off topic. <grin> The topic here is Contemporary Christian Music. Let’s stick to that topic…. Thanks.

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Msg#: 4119 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 01:18:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3472 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)

So you’re saying that we can play rock and roll as long as our heart is in the right place, right? If so, then you’re saying it IS alright to listen to Stryper and therefore Stryper is right in what they’re doing. You’re main point is that when we do something that it is right if our heart is in the right place, or am i missing something? So, then, Stryper is doing God’s work…… it’s as simple as that! /s
Steve
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Msg#: 4121 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 01:36:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3869 (Re: STRYPER)

I seriously doubt that Stryper will lose their tight pants, unless the style wears out. If they did, they would lose their non-christian audience to the point where they’d become as useless in the War against Satan as Petra and Amy Grant. But, hey, no one ever said you have to like Stryper. I just don’t like people like you trying to tell them how to win people to Christ. How many people have YOU led to Christ? I bet they’ve toasted you on that one!!!

Steve
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Msg#: 4122 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 01:39:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4121 (Re: STRYPER)

Man, how do you know how Stryper live their lives? You don’t know any one of them any more than Ronald Reagan!! Quit judging them, and start admiring them for their battles won in the War against Satan!! Maybe you could learn a lesson or two.
Steve
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Msg#: 4123 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 01:43:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4122 (Re: STRYPER)

Have you ever thought that maybe Michael Sweet happens to like his hair long? or maybe it fits with his clothes (style). Who are you to say that he is wearing his hear long as a rebellion? Why don’t you let him worry about that? Even if he is, will it make a whole lot of difference in the end? Steve
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Msg#: 4124 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 01:47:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3743 (Re: JESUS’ HAIR)

You’re right, Jesus was “different” than the “men of the times”. Well, wht do you know? Michael Sweet is quite “different” from most non-christians I know. And I am quite “different” from a lot of people. Wow, most everyone is “different” from everyone else!! neat, huh? — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 4125 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 01:57:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3786 (Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR – PL)

I am relatively new to this echo, and am wondering about the magazine you are referring to. Could you give me some more info about what this echo is about? Thanks!
Steve Schram
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Msg#: 4126 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 02:01:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3795 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)

What a coincidence! Today is my birthday! Yippee the big 18! I’m so happy! Steve
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Msg#: 4127 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 02:22:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4126 (Re: BIRTHDAYS)

18? Oh, my! Just a pup!

Happy birthday, Steve!

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Msg#: 4128 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 02:25:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4123 (Re: STRYPER)

>I bet they’ve toasted you on that one!!!

Without meaning to be derisive, Steve, I think that this is hardly a fair comment. Are we in competition to see how many souls we can (with the help of the Spirit) lead to Christ? I don’t think so; and I’m sure that this is not what you meant, right?

Dave

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Msg#: 4410 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 15:07:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4128 (Re: STRYPER)

When the anti-Christ comes I am sure that they will know who he is and will continue to sing for the one, true saving Lord, Jesus Christ. As I have said before, Stryper has Heavy MEtal imagery to have an identification point with heavy metallers. It is IMAGERY. They have a challenge that says put up the goods that they drink, sleep around, do drugs or SHUT UP! (I hope that doesn’t sound too rude.) Steve Green is not going to save a thrasher by singing his mellow music (I do like Steve Green, by the way). Stryper is called to a dark area of music to be a light of Christ, where others can’t reach. And Stryper isn’t the only group out there too. There is Ruscha, Jerusalem, Bloodgood, BArren Cross, White Cross, Neon Cross, Vengeance and more. All are there to do the work of Christ, plain and simple.

Jon
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Msg#: 4412 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 15:13:00
From: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3857 (Re: PETRA)

Wasn’t Rick Cua with Kansas too?

Jon
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Msg#: 4442 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 16:29:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3876 (Re: POOTERS)

Okay, sorry.
Just a suggestion! all well..
later, guy..
King Caspian
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Msg#: 4468 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/28/89 18:16:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3866 (Re: QUESTION)

That’s right…you guys think that anyone who does not believe as you do doesn’t understand…right? Sounds familiar.

ka

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Msg#: 4513 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 17:42:00
From: DEBBIE CLEMENT
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3865 (Re: TEST)

The name of my board is Firm Foundation – CfC#6, at (402)592-4840, running at 3/12/2400 baud, 24hrs a day.
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Msg#: 4514 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 10:24:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3399 (Re: AMY GRANT)

Amy is still actively involved in her church in Nashville, & under submission to her pastor.

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Msg#: 4515 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/24/89 16:35:00
From: CHRIS KOEBEL
To: ALL
Subj: RELIEF!!!!!!

I am soooooooo glad this controversy is finally over. I was really getting upset by the things the Williams’ were saying……that’s why you haven’t heard from me for a while. I suppose if I appeared in their ‘churchI’d be kicked out,….my hair is a tad on the long side I suppose, but doesn’t that have more to do with the world and it’s styles than God? Has peace finally come to this board?

—Chris |<.

by the way, anyone know where I could get a hold of some Larry Norman albums…….I’ve been trying to find some of his older stuff and am having a real difficult time of it!
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Msg#: 4516 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 18:11:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4515 (Re: RELIEF!!!!!!)

You can get old Larry Norman albums from Larry himself in California. Did you, by the way, hear Larry last week on my show? We played his new release in its entirety.
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Msg#: 4517 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/25/89 09:10:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: KEVIN BOYES (Rcvd)
Subj: BASH IN THE CODE

EID:f280 12f9494b

What kind of music are they? where they from? etc. Cathy.

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Msg#: 4518 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 11:05:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4516 (Re: RELIEF!!!!!!)

Do you know the names of the albums. I know of a few distributors I can check with for you.
Cathy.
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Msg#: 4519 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 15:39:00
From: ROB GREEN
To: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4517 (Re: BASH IN THE CODE)

The name is Bash ‘N The Code. Their modern op. It’s hard to describe them in comparison to a secular band, because I don’t listen much to secular music.

Not too far from Madonna’s style. Their last album was aptly titled BIG MOUTH.

I’ve used their material for roller skating nights, and some softer titles on the show.

They are on Myrrh label.
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Msg#: 4520 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/26/89 23:06:00
From: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
To: ROB GREEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4519 (Re: BASH IN THE CODE)

Thanks I had heard of them and seen their tapes but I was afraid to think of what they are like.
Cathy.
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Msg#: 4521 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 23:52:00
From: MIKE SHOUPE
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3797 (Re: MIDI-SEQUENCING)

-]> I for one am not familiar with the term ‘sequenced’, could you please -]> explain it? Thanks
-]>

<Excuse my butting in>

MIDI sequencing is used <usualy with a computer> to develop tracks prior to recording. Like I can develop my drum track on ch 10, put other MIDI units (keyboards, drum machines, MIDI guitar) on the other remaining MIDI channels. That way I can develop a compleate score like you would with a multi track tape machine, and I can edit each channel (or track if you want to call them) without having to play the track over. Saves lots of bucks because I can do the whole score, hear it, tweak it, and finally run over to the studio to get it on tape. I am in the studio for about 10 hours instead of a week.

Mike

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Msg#: 4522 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/27/89 07:31:00
From: JOHN BURDEN
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3787 (Re: DION)

Tim, I think this has veered a way from the header but at least it will enable folks to follow the message thread …..

I’ve read a few messages from you which are highly critical of others, for their music, the way they dress, etc. You even reckon you know their hearts. But I say to you know that it is God who knows their hearts, He is the one who will judge, not you – or me.

I regard myself as a fundamentalist – in the true sense of the word, not the parody of it that is paraded around in some quarters these days. But I cannot identify with what you are saying and I think that goes for just about every other user of this echo. Why don’t you do us (and you) a favour by taking your views off to another echo? I’m sure there must be one somewhere that suits.

Sorry to sound so abrasive but just once in a while, I get fed up with the bilge that I see posted in echomail by folks who quite clearly don’t identify with the echo or its purpose.

Go in peace to love and serve the Lord,

John.
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Msg#: 4545 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/29/89 08:49:00
From: KING CASPIAN
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4119 (Re: STRYPER, DION, AND AMY)

later,
scott schram]
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Msg#: 4942 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/30/89 02:43:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4125 (Re: MESSAGE FROM ECHO MODERATOR – PL)

. You can read the past 6 months of the RockOnLine magazine over here. I have forwarded the incoming magazine to the Quest as they come in, but I don’t know if your sysops have posted them or not.

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Msg#: 5163 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/30/89 02:16:00
From: SETH MARTIN
To: MIKE SHOUPE
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4513 (TEST)

Thanks Mike for the reply.

Seth

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Msg#: 5623 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/30/89 11:17:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4410 (Re: STRYPER)

No, that’s not what I meant, but don’t you think that you need to be less critical of Stryper since they ARE doing the Lord’s work?

Steve
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Msg#: 5625 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/30/89 11:28:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: TERRI DAVIS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3726 (Re: PRAISING WHO?)

Yes, God deserves all of our love!! He is truly wonderful!! I still don’t believe that if you love God with all your heart you can’t love anyone else.

The scriptures that you quoted: Luke 14:25-27 I believe you have misinterpreted or taken out of context. I don’t have time on-line to look them up, but will get back to you. O.k.?

Steve
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Msg#: 5628 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/30/89 11:37:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: ROB GREEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4514 (Re: AMY GRANT)

> Amy is still actively involved in her church in Nashville, & under > submission to her pastor.

that is indeed good to know! (not that I doubted it in the least) She is indeed very close to God!
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Msg#: 5630 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/30/89 22:18:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5623 (Re: STRYPER)

Excuse me? Where have I been critical of Stryper? As I recall, I was speaking hypothetically. In what message was I directly critical of Stryper?

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Msg#: 5825 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 02:45:00
From: KEVIN BOYES
To: CATHY MACGILLIVRAY
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4517 (Re: BASH IN THE CODE)

They are from cal; they are more up beat but not hard rock, eir lyric are very good. very good production they have a heart for outreach.. I would say you would not go wrong getting it.
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Msg#: 5829 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:47:03
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: DION

Diane,

I hope this question is not out of line, but did you ever get a chance to talk to Dion’s manger? If so, what did they have to save.

Thanks,

Tim

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Msg#: 5830 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:47:37
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: ROB GREEN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3245 (AMY GRANT)

->Msg#: 9092 *ROCK ON LINE*
->07/24/89 10:24:00
->From: ROB GREEN
->To: MITHRANDIR
->Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6883 (RE: AMY GRANT) ->Amy is still actively involved in her church in Nashville, ->& under submission to her pastor.

Is that Don Finto at the Belmont Church in Nashville?

Thanks,

Tim
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Msg#: 5831 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:48:45
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: JOHN BURDEN
Subj: LEAVE IN PEACE (?!)

-> Sorry to sound so abrasive but just once in a while, -> I get fed up with the bilge that I see posted in echomail -> by folks who quite clearly don’t identify -> with the echo or its purpose.

-> Go in peace to love and serve the Lord,

-> John.

John,

Did I identify with the “purpose” or not? Please read the following message that was sent to me and tell me if I was on target or not!

Msg#: 3101 *ROCK ON LINE* 07/09/89 14:34:00 From: DIANE GAMBINO To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd) Subj: RE: DION

Does your message also apply to people like Amy Grant, who has taken her success to the ‘other side’ of music? And people like Deniece Williams who started out in secular music and when she became famous demanded that she be able to record gospel/adult contemporary Christian music as well? (I am asking you the above questions not to light fire here but to start a forum of discussion. I think that it is time these pertinent musical questions and ideas are discussed.)

Thanks for your input.

I was “THANKED” for my “IMPUT”.

Sorry that so many are offended at the Word of God.

You may want to listen to the words in some of to Michael Cards songs,

“A rock that makes men stumble….”

Tim

JOH 6:60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” JOH 6:61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? JOH 6:62 What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! JOH 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

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Msg#: 5832 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:49:57
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: KEITH GREEN

-> From: DIANE GAMBINO
-> Mg#: 7974 *ROCK ON LINE*
-> 07/20/89
-> From: DIANE GAMBINO
-> To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd) -> Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 7965 (RE:STRYPER) -> I don’t think that a Michael Card or Keith Green video -> would ever make it to where MTV might decide to carry -> it. However, D&K are Christian hard rockers who have a -> large following. Frankly, I don’T know HOW they got -> selected for airing on MTV but it resulted in the song -> 666 being re-shot (the video) that is into a better -> visual interpretation – the group themselves thought so -> and I (having seen both) agree. Makes me realize that -> the Lord how much the Lord isn’t limited and how He -> can work good from any situation.

Diane,

The reason D&K got accepted is because they are like the world. The reason Keith Green and Michael Card wouldn’t get accepted is because they are too pure. It’s that simple.

Ephesians 5:5-9 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person–such a man is an idolater–has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)

-> Makes me realize that the Lord how much the Lord isn’t -> limited and how He can work good from any situation.

Diane,

Where did this notion ever come from that impurity, worldliness, and being rebellious to God’s Word will bring people to Jesus?

Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

II Peter 2:17-22 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity–for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.” -More-

-> limited and how He can work good from any situation.

You may be right to a small degree. No doubt there are some few who will come to know Jesus as a pure and holy God. But the men themselves will go to hell. For just as Balaam was used by God, (and it broght sin in the camp), so too God work good. But apart of His good will be to send these men to “BLACKEST DARKNESS”. While pure singers will shine like stars in Jesus!

I Corinthians 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

(NO NEED TO RESPOND TO THIS. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF SCRIPTURAL ISSUE ON ROCK ON LINE)

Much grace, (really!)

Tim
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Msg#: 5833 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:51:21
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: REMIND ME (?!)

-> Msg#: 7983 *ROCK ON LINE*
-> 07/20/89 15:06:00
-> From: DIANE GAMBINO
-> To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
-> Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3336 (RE: DOGS OF DOGMA) -> Tim, need I remind you…this is an echo on CHRISTIAN -> MUSIC – any other conversation does not belong on -> this echo.

-> Thanks.

Diane,

I am confused. When did I discuss anything that did not relate to “CHRISTIAN MUSIC”? May-be you meant this message for DAVE HORN or KEN ACTON. Please show or remind me where we have not discussed the issue of CHRISTIAN MUSIC and I will gladly repent! Say, everyone out there………how come you didn’t send and whole slew of message to DAVE or KEN? They certainly got off tract? Kinda gives a whole new meaning to the word hypocrisy. Doesn’t it!

-> Msg#: 7984 *ROCK ON LINE*
-> From: DIANE GAMBINO
-> To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
-> Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 3334 (RE: MORE INVOLVEMENT) -> Actually, the areas that I would like this echo to -> discuss for the Christian music industry to see/know -> about include things like whether Glad should do -> another a capella type lp or whether all of Rez’s -> music should be considered heavy metal. That’s along -> the lines of the involvement I was talking about.

While I will honor your idea to only post what others agree too, you do remember …. ……..encouraging me…….. to go deeper than a “mush” Christian talk …don’t you??…….. From what I gather you are saying is that anyone who

calls themselves a Christian band is accepted? Suppose the Doobie Brothers are ok? After all they say, “JESUS IS JUST ALRIGHT BY ME” After all the words are right? Jesus is ok! Never mind that everyone was undressed on the inside cover of the album. Like I said though I will post only postive comments.

->Msg#: 3101 *ROCK ON LINE*
->07/09/89 14:34:00
->From: DIANE GAMBINO
->To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
->Subj: RE: DION

-> Does your message also apply to people like Amy -> Grant, who has taken her success to the ‘other side’ -> of music? And people like Deniece Williams who -> started out in secular music and when she became -> famous demanded that she be
-> able to record gospel/adult contemporary Christian -> music as well? (I am asking you the above questions -> not to light fire here but to start a forum of -> discussion. I think that it is time these pertinent -More-
-> musical questions and ideas are discussed.)

-> Thanks for your input.

You also “thanked” me for raising the question about Dion. Do you remember? Now, since others are offended by a discussion of scripture concerning CHRISTIAN MUSIC you want me to shut up. So be, I will post only positive songs and announcements. (Hope you sent a personal message to those who discussed Sound Doctrine on this board. Or are they allowed because they talk negative about what you agree with too?)

-> (I am asking you the above questions not to light -> fire here but to start a forum of discussion. I think -> that it is time these pertinent musical -> questions and ideas are discussed.)

You asked for the “FIRE” to start. By the way that is a very biblical thing to want. You also wrote to me that “IT IS TIME THESE PERTINENT MUSICAL

QUESTIONS AND IDEAS” are discussed. So we did. Then the fire started to get too hot and you seem to want to please men rather than God. And not only do that, but BLAME me for causing the trouble!

Galatians 1:10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Much grace to you,

Tim

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Msg#: 5834 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:52:13
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: FOR REAL

-> Msg#: 7980 *ROCK ON LINE* -> 07/20/89 14:49:00 -> From: DIANE GAMBINO -> To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd) -> Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 7974 (RE: STRYPER) -> In one message you are thanking me… -> in the next message you’re asking me if I am for real? -> Yes, I am for real. How about you?

Diane,

Why so defensive? Why I said “ARE YOU FOR REAL”, I was not being smart with you. What I said was, “ARE YOU FOR REAL THAT MTV” did that to D&K. I was agreeing with you! I was saying “ARE YOU FOR REAL” to MTV …not… you!!

Please don’t be taken in by others attitudes who seem unwilling or unable to discuss scripture without getting defensive. There are a lot of people who are merely “YES MEN” in Jesus. They love anyone who tells them what they want to hear. Otherwise they kick them out.

As scripture says…

Micah 2:11 If a liar and deceiver comes and says, `I will prophesy for you plenty of wine and beer,’ he would be just the prophet for this people!

Micah 3:5 This is what the LORD says: “As for the prophets who lead my people astray, if one feeds them, they proclaim `peace’; if he does not, they prepare to wage war against him.

Yes, I did thank, and still do, even though you appear not to hold to what you said earlier. I thanked you because you welcomed impute about music. Not just was itching ears want to hear.

Much grace to you,

Tim
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Msg#: 5835 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:53:20
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MARK KILCOYNE
Subj: HAIR

Mark,

You have need to read the scripture on long hair and coverings again. Paul is NOT saying that they don’t have a custom… he is saying they have “NO OTHER CUSTOM”. That is in “ALL” the churches the men have short hair and the women wear coverings.

I Corinthians 11:14-16 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice–nor do the churches of God.

Paul is saying that it is a “DISGRACE TO HIM” and that Paul has “NO OTHER PRACTICE”. That is, he teaches the same thing everywhere he goesWhy Paul would preach the same thing at a STRYPER concert because he has “NO OTHER PRACTICE –

NOR DO THE CHURCHES OF GOD”.

Paul is saying that if you, or anyone, wants to say it is ok for you to have long hair that all the other churches “OF GOD” anyway don’t do that, or teach it. And when Paul points to nature he is trying to drive home the point that the way God made man and women is that they each have different hair lengths. He does this because they are slow to catch on to spiritual matters.

As for the “biting” and destroying each other. Since when is pointing out sin destroying each other. This board seems to thrive on “YES MAN” Christianity! Talk about cultic. If you disagree …out you ! This board does not even seem to practice what it preaches. I suppose you would have rebuke Paul for opposing Peter,

Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

Notice, he rebuke Peter in Front of them all!

Tim

ps Mark, we will have to find another board to discuss this issue. We have been asked by several not to discuss these “non-related” issues. Sorry!

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.

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Msg#: 5836 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 01:53:54
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: THE END

-> Have you ever thought that maybe Michael Sweet happens ->to like his hair long? or maybe it fits with his clothes ->(style). Who are you to say that he is wearing his hear ->long as a rebellion? Why don’t you let him worry about ->that? Even if he is, will it make a whole lot of difference ->in the end?

-> Steve

Steve,

I wonder how Paul is receiving your message? After all he wrote this… I Corinthians 11:14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,

Will rebellion against God’s Word make a “whole lot of difference in the end?”. You bet your soul it will!

Tim
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Msg#: 5837 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 02:04:52
From: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS)
To: CHRIS KOEBEL
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4515 (RELIEF!!!!!!)

->From: CHRIS KOEBEL To: ALL Subj: RELIEF!!!!!! I am soooooooo glad this controversy is finally over. I was really getting upset by the things the Williams’ were saying……that’s why you haven’t heard from me for a while. I suppose if I appeared in their ‘churchI’d be kicked out,….my hair is a tad on the long side I suppose, but doesn’t that have more to do with the world and it’s styles than God? Has peace finally come to this board?

—Chris |<.

Has “peace” finally come to this board ….

Jeremiah 6:14-16 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. `Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace. Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when I punish them,” says the LORD. This is what the LORD says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, `We will not walk in it.’

Remember, the “Williams'” didn’t say anything about hair. It is Paul that said it.

I Corinthians 11:14-16 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice–nor do the churches of God.

Tim
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Msg#: 5838 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 02:15:44
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: PAT MULCAHY
Subj: GAMES

-> Msg#: 7957 *ROCK ON LINE*
-> 07/18/89 09:56:00
-> From: PAT MULCAHY
-> To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
-> Subj: RE: CHRISTIAN & NON-CHRISTIAN TOGETH

> Would appreciate some scriptural support for this position.

I’d be happy to, Tim, but I don’t play those games. And it does get to be a game: “my biblical reference is better than yours.”

It basically comes down to the fact that some people have a fundamentalist view of Scripture. I don’t. So either we argue our brains out, or we agree to disagree. Agreeing to disagree doesn’t necessarily mean that the other person is completely wrong, or that the other person is unChristian, or that the other

person doesn’t know Scripture or the Lord.

-Pat

Pat,

What “games” are you talking about? If individuals who call themselves Christians can’t discuss scripture what is there left of any real importance? What does that say about their love for the Word of God?

I Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

Are we not to “speak the very words of God” to each other? And are we not instructed to…

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.

  • AND ALL THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF TALKING ABOUT MUSIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if we “agree” to “disagree” then why can’t you discuss scripture without getting so defensive? I mean, everyone says on this board, only post messages that AGREE WITH ME and let us agree to disagree, yet refuse to even discuss the disagreement. Besides is this a scriptural attitude?

I Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

Much grace,

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Msg#: 5973 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 00:42:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5630 (Re: STRYPER)

Hmmmm…we seem to have a bit of a misunderstanding here. I was not being critical of Stryper as far as I know. What I was commenting on was your message to Mike Shoupe in which you were apparently trying to compare his witnessing efforts to Stryper’s and implying that his efforts were somehow less than theirs. Whether Stryper is truly doing the Lord’s work is not for me to say–I don’t listen to them–and so you would be a better-informed judge of such things. All I was saying was that it was not fair to play a “numbers game” with Mike, i.e., you seemed to be saying “Stryper has led more people to the Lord than you!” as if we were in some sort of competition with each other. We are not. See what I was saying now?

Dave

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Msg#: 5999 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 15:29:17
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: DEFENSIVE

I see a lot of talk from you today about how others are “being defensive.” However, it seems to me that you are more on the defensive than they are–especially since certain things have come to light about you and your small group. Pat is absolutely correct, Tim. All you guys can really do is “agree to disagree” since you are so convinced that you are right (regardless of fact or logic) and everyone else is somehow “not fully living the Word” or whatever it is you guys say around here. Other Christians are no less convinced. However, it seems to me, as an intersted outsider, that their exegesis is much better than yours.

ka

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Msg#: 6000 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 15:36:09
From: KEN ACTON
To: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS) (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5835 (HAIR)

TW: “Remember, the ‘Williams” didn’t say anything about hair. It is Paul that said it.”

Not from the vantage point of THIS wheelchair! Oh, sure, you quoted Paul; but then you put an arbtrary and PERSONALLY DETERMINED standard on what Paul meant. When will you answer the questions put to you, Tim, ol’ son? Where do you start the measurement? When is the male hair “long” and when is it “acceptable?” Are you not, in your own way, conforming to conservative WORLDLY standard? I believe that you are.

So answer the man’s question: If he came into your church, would you throw him out if his hair was longer than you personally find acceptable? At what point do you start this measurement. I ask all this as someone who is rapidly losing his hair.

ka

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Msg#: 6001 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 15:37:34
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5836 (THE END)

Ok, I saw a picture of Michael Sweet yesterday. He’s a strange looking person, I’ll grant you that–but that is by my standard. How is he in rebellion against God (as opposed rebellion against you)? See my other message on hair.

ka

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Msg#: 6002 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 15:39:47
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5835 (HAIR)

Here we go again. Tim, you are continually supporting the assertions made against you. In this message we see a lot of sarcasm, drivel, condemnation, and whining–but little true facts are borne except the ever-present fact that you must be right and others wrong.

ka

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Msg#: 6003 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 15:41:06
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5834 (FOR REAL)

I’d rather be a “yes man” to Yeshua than to a mere man who keeps pumping himself up as omniscient. Hang in there, Tim. You may be right. But I doubt it…

ka

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Msg#: 6004 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 15:43:01
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5833 (REMIND ME (?!))

It seems to me that Diana thanked you for your input before she really got to know you, Tim.

As for the rest of your message, which included a reference to me: Shucks, Tim, I hate to see a grown man whine.

ka

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Msg#: 6005 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 15:45:02
From: KEN ACTON
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5831 (LEAVE IN PEACE (?!))

TW: “Sorry that so many are offened at the word of God.”

Oh, my. I guess that’s everybody here but you, right? Anyone who needs any more evidence of your claim to special messages from God need look no further.

ka

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Msg#: 6007 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 17:59:28
From: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS)
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6000 (HAIR)

Ken,

We are not permitted to discuss these items on Rock-On-Line. If you wish you may leave a message locally on our board.

Tim
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Msg#: 6008 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 18:09:44
From: RUTHANNE PRINCE
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 5973 (STRYPER)

No, STRYPER IS NOT RIGHT IN what they’re doing. Spreading the gospel is not they’re first love. They are more into Money, and becoming a success. The only reason they use the name of the Lord is because they thought it would get them farther up the musical charts.
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Msg#: 6431 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 20:17:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6008 (Re: STRYPER)

yes, I see. (not that I didn’t understand before) I just didn’t realise you weren’t the one being critical of Stryper. Sorry, I am too new here to keep track of everyone’s names!
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Msg#: 6432 *ROCK ON LINE*
07/31/89 20:32:00
From: MITHRANDIR
To: TIM WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6001 (Re: THE END)

Well, honestly I don’t think that wearing your hair is rebelling against God. I was meaning that even if he (Michael Sweet) is rebelling against PEOPLE THAT DON’T LIKE LONG HAIR he won’t be condemned for it. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 6440 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/01/89 02:15:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6431 (Re: STRYPER)

As am I, at least for now. Some of the names, including those from the Sound Doctrine, are familiar to me; but many are not. I can see where there might have been confusion.

My wife and I plan on a trip to Beaver Creek this Saturday. Amy Grant is doing a benefit for the Beaver Creek Chapel and is performing a noontime concert. Would you like to hear about it when we get back?

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Msg#: 6559 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/01/89 16:08:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6440 (Re: STRYPER)

That usually doesn’t work, so if Stryper is using the name of the Lord to gain financial success, they must be stupid, too, eh?

ka

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Msg#: 6560 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/01/89 16:25:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: SYSOP (SOUND DOCTRINE BBS) (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6007 (Re: HAIR)

TW: “We are not permitted to discuss these things on Rock-On-Line.”

You’re still whining, Tim.

By the way, you have been asked before not to identify yourself as “SYSOP” on the echos, it causes considerable confusion for other Sysops on the nets. Putting “sound Doctrine Bbs” does not excuse you from following echo procedures. There are certain standards expected of Sysops that would participate in the nets. Failure to follow these standards generally can result in expulsion from the net. Just a friendly bit of advice from a former Sysop.
. Now, as to your message about how we are not to discuss certain things…I point out that it was YOU who kept badgering the kids on this echo on a couple of things (including the hair issue) AFTER you receieved the message from the moderator. Although you have nicely dodged all of the relevant questions put to you it was YOU who continued to press irrelevancies at the users of this echo. Just
because you have reverted to putting “Sysop” in message headers from you does not mean that you have any more authority here than any other user. In fact, I see hypocricy here. You would tell me that we can not discuss whatever here and yet it was YOU who violated this policy with your whimpering messages yesterday. “Set thine own house in order” before you would propose to dictate to others.

ka

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Msg#: 6561 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/01/89 16:25:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6559 (Re: STRYPER)

BTW…read I Corinthians 2:11 in your NT.

ka

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Msg#: 6583 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/01/89 21:33:34
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: JONATHAN SCHLENKER
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 4410 (Re: STRYPER)

Jon, I guess this will be the last time I will discuss this with you since we have been asked not to disagree with anyone on this board. This seems to be a one-sided board, but noooo problem. There is plenty of other things to discuss.

Of course, I have one last thing to add…<grin>. We are suppose to reflect the image of Jesus Christ not the image of those of the world. So I do not believe thta Jesus would be the image of the heavy metal bands. As for as the anti-chrrist, if we believe that it is okay to imitate the things of this world how will we be able to recognise him??? Not to mention the fact that he disguises himself as an angle of light.

In Him,
CARLA

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Msg#: 6624 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/02/89 04:45:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: MATTHEW 4:10

  • I see hypocricy here.

It is unfortunate that you see hypocrisy everywhere but its actual dwelling place.

Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Ecclesiastes 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool’s voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecclesiastes 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.

Proverbs 17:14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.

Proverbs 18:6 A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.

Proverbs 22:10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

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Msg#: 6625 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/02/89 05:08:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: ALL
Subj: WAKE UP!

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Deuteronomy 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deuteronomy 6:7 AND THOU SHALT TEACH THEM DILIGENTLY UNTO THY CHILDREN, AND SHALT TALK OF THEM WHEN THOU SITTEST IN THINE HOUSE, AND WHEN THOU WALKEST BY THE WAY, AND WHEN THOU LIEST DOWN, AND WHEN THOU RISEST UP.

Deuteronomy 6:8 AND THOU SHALT BIND THEM FOR A SIGN UPON THINE HAND, AND THEY SHALL BE AS FRONTLETS BETWEEN THINE EYES.

Deuteronomy 6:9 AND THOU SHALT WRITE THEM UPON THE POSTS OF THY HOUSE, AND ON THY GATES.

-=> Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord! <=-

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Msg#: 6690 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/02/89 17:38:01
From: TIM WILLIAMS
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6432 (Re: THE END)

Mithrandir,

Then what does the passage mean?

I Corinthians 11:14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,

Tim
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Msg#: 6735 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/02/89 20:09:45
From: NAME DELETED
To: MITHRANDIR
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6432 (Re: THE END)

–

>> Well, honestly I don’t think that wearing your hair is rebelling against God. I was meaning that even if he (Michael Sweet) is rebelling against PEOPLE THAT DON’T LIKE LONG HAIR he won’t be condemned for it.

And who is it that doesn’t like long hair? Just answer this question … who wrote this …

Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, (I Corinthians 11:14)

Mike
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Msg#: 7637 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/02/89 17:31:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6625 (Re: WAKE UP!)

To anyone who cares, Roper is somewhat like the members of the Sound Doctrine, however they are not on speaking terms for precisely the reasons mentioned about the SD itself. They both adhere to a view of the world and of Christianity that is not based on rational or intelligent exegesis; but on the special revelations that they claim to receive and the near-divine discernment that they both claim to possess.

(Ok, Ropes, they hath been “awakened.”)

ka

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Msg#: 7638 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/02/89 17:37:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6624 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)

GR: “It is unfortunate you see hypocrisy everywhere but its actual dwelling place.”

Well, I didn’t bring you up because you haven’t been over here.

Oh! You were talking about me. Sorry. Well, let’s consider what makes one a hypocrite. Simply put, a “hypocrite” is one who does not practice what he preaches, so to speak. Now consider that you go around talking about your form of Christianity, which requires that you bash at people and hurl your own “clever” quips at them.. Consider also that you paint yourself as very humble; but you are intolerant of even other Christians who fail to see that what you are saying is “the Word of God!” You claim to possess some sort of discernment that allows you to understand the Bible better than even those who are better educated on any subject (INCLUDING the Bible), and yet you tell everyone else how humble and submissive they should be. There’s more, but my point has been made. I do not go back on what I “preach.” Too bad you cannot make the same claim.

ka

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Msg#: 8597 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 02:26:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6003 (Re: FOR REAL)

KA> I’d rather be a “yes man” to Yeshua…

Ken, this is a remarkable admission coming from you. Would you like to discuss it further in private?

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Msg#: 8605 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 20:27:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 7637 (Re: WAKE UP!)

  • To anyone who cares, Roper is somewhat like the
  • members of the Sound Doctrine, however they are not
  • on speaking terms for precisely the reasons mentioned
  • about the SD itself.

Ken, I have a dated message that indicates that I spoke with Tim Williams just the other day, no big deal, except that this clearly shows that your above statement is false.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

What did your message have to do with “Christian” music?

Also, what are the rules and purpose of this echo?

  • They both adhere to a view of the world and of
  • Christianity that is not based on rational or
  • intelligent exegesis; but on the special revelations
  • that they claim to receive and the near-divine
  • discernment that they both claim to possess.

The Scriptures indicate that there are a great many fake “Christians” which only have a *form* of godliness but deny the power thereof. The following verse which SD already quoted indicates that the desciples of Jesus Christ *if* they speak are to do so as the oracles of God. So Ken, what’s wrong with that?

1-Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Real Christians don’t deny the power and gifts which God has by His abundant grace given them, so, if you see real Christians being attacked by others who claim to be Christians because they speak as the oracles of God then you know which is which, or do *you*?

/ / /
__>ojourner in a __>trange (__and

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Msg#: 8606 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 20:28:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8605 (Re: WAKE UP!)

  • (Ok, Ropes, they hath been “awakened.”)

You’re too kind Ken. Seeing you are not a Christian, I have to wonder what kind of light you have used to awaken these people. How about some real *Son-shine*!

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Matthew 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

What think ye Ken, doth this make sense? Who do you serve Ken?

/ / /
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Msg#: 8607 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 20:30:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 7638 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)

  • Well, I didn’t bring you up because you haven’t been over here.
  • Oh! You were talking about me. Sorry.

I’ve been sorry before myself, however; sorrow that does not lead to *change* is worthless don’t you think? I can appreciate your sense of humor Ken, and I am always learning new *things* but by the grace of God I have come to the knowledge of the *TRUTH* which is the Lord Jesus Christ. Knowledge of itself is so cheap and often worthless that it can be bought with corruptable money at a local 7-11 or various universities. Knowledge of itself is knowledge “under the sun” and without the Spirit of God it passes away and there is no remembrance of it, however; knowledge of the *TRUTH* is the only path to everlasting life, and few there be that find it.

  • Now consider that you go around talking about your
  • form of Christianity, which requires that you bash
  • at people and hurl your own “clever” quips at them.

Where did I claim perfection? When did I exalt myself above the throne of God as you have done, notice your comments:

  • Jesus was but a man; and you cannot rationally prove
  • otherwise. Even the Christian idea that Jesus actually
  • claimed to be God lies on thin intellectual ice. I
  • freed myself; and I’m doing very well now, thank you.
  • Consider also that you paint yourself as very humble; but you
  • are intolerant of even other Christians who fail to see that
  • what you are saying is “the Word of God!”

You will probably get along well with NAME DELETED because he also accuses me of false humility, Why not rather than accuse me of false humility, set the example of true humility so that I might learn from your gracious examples? That asking too much? Why not start by giving me your definition of true humility? Accusations are easy, examples are a different story aren’t they. Maybe you are an angel Ken, but if I have told people to be submissive as you state, who am I suggesting they be submissive to? I have stated several times that I cannot save a grasshopper and I firmly believe this, how much less a man? God can and does save, and if He chooses to use me, there is nothing you can do short of killing me and then God would raise another up in my place, no problem *for* Him. If there were no more Godly men and women left on earth the stones would cry the praises of God and witness of His majesty!

  • I do not go back on what I “preach.”
  • Too bad you cannot make the same claim.

Yes you must be right, that is too bad, however; let’s take just a brief look at the following quotes from you.

KA> By the way, don’t quote your New Testament at me–I consider KA> it invalid.

KA> BTW…read I Corinthians 2:11 in your NT.

Did you find any inconsistency? But Ken what has any of this got to do with the purpose of this echo? Just curious you know.

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Msg#: 8608 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 20:49:00
From: PAULA JOHNSON
To: DIANE GAMBINO
Subj: Re: MODERN MANNA JAM SESSION

Hi again! I’m not able as yet to do stuff like email or netmail, but I have just been informed that our venerable sysop has access to copies so for now I think I will go through him; also I would rather not broadcast my address on a public message! Thanks anyway. Talk to you later–Messianic Metalhead. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 8609 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 20:54:00
From: PAULA JOHNSON
To: SETH MARTIN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8608 (Re: MODERN MANNA JAM SESSION)

Well thank you sir! I kinda do to. I heard there was a big debate on Rock/Christian Rock on either Sound Doctrine via here or something like that and my sysop/assitant sysop were telling me about it and they jokingly said that there could be a ministry or something like that; it was a long time ago but I thought, Yeah! Cool!–seiure Messianic Metalhead. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 8615 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 14:58:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6008 (Re: STRYPER)

Yeah, although I am kinda burnt out on Amy Grant, I like hearing about any Christian concerts….
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Msg#: 8616 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 14:59:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: RUTHANNE PRINCE (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8615 (Re: STRYPER)

come on, take off, eh? How do you know where their hearts are at? Jeez, do you know them personally? Talk about judging your fellow man!!! — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 8620 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 16:44:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8616 (Re: STRYPER)

Ok, no problem. The concert is at Beaver Creek. A bit of a drive, but who am I to turn down free tickets?

‘
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Msg#: 8622 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 17:21:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8620 (Re: STRYPER)

You guys still whining over that at SD BBS? Nobody said you had to necessarily agree. It just appeared to me as if the moderator was saying not to be so obnoxious and try not to dominate the echo with the irrelevancies that YOU people brought up.
. This message shows that you folks do like to try to get the last word, though.

ka

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Msg#: 8635 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 17:53:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8606 (Re: WAKE UP!)

Yes, I do…better than you, it seems.

Interesting that you and Williams are on speaking terms again. You really should get back together…you deserve each other.

ka

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Msg#: 8636 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 17:55:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8635 (Re: WAKE UP!)

GR: “What think ye, Ken…”

I just LOVE it when you go into your pseudo-biblical mode of writing…it shows just how disturbed you are, my little laboratory rat.

ka

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Msg#: 8637 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/03/89 17:59:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8607 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)

Nice try; but no, there is no inconsistency. Consider the context of the message from which you derived your quotes and you will see that you have used them in a form that you may think makes you appear clever–but it falls apart in the fact of logic. The first quote was to you when you tries to preach to me. The second was to a person who claims the NT as the “word.” The point of the message from which you used the second quote was, “if you believe it you should live it.” That doesn’t necessarily mean that I give all of the NT that much credence–what it does show is the remarkable hypocricy of people like you.

ka

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Msg#: 9639 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/04/89 00:23:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8622 (Re: STRYPER)

How did you get free tickets?? Sounds cool. I saw The Beach Boys in beaver creek… was great environment for a concert, but Beach Boys are getting old!! They don’t sound nearly as good as they used to…. — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 9648 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/04/89 02:17:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 9639 (Re: STRYPER)

Amy sent the tickets to a Pastor friend of mine and he gave them to me. My wife really appreciates Amy’s work and so it will be a nice break for her. For me, it will just be nice to get out of the Denver area for a while. The last time I got out of town was last summer, when we went up to Mount Evans. But that doesn’t count–it was a field trip for my class in Animal Ecology.

Yes, I would say that the Beach Boys are now passody to that song from “Cocktail” (though I hated the movie!). In the sixties and early seventies I preferred folks like James Taylor, America, and other basically middle-of-the-road groups. When I’m feeling nostalgic, I still do. But my musical tastes vary widely and I can listen to just about anything depending on my mood.

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Msg#: 9672 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/04/89 12:47:16
From: NAME DELETED
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8616 (Re: STRYPER)

–

>>> come on, take off, eh? How do you know where their hearts are at? Jeez, do you know them personally? Talk about judging your fellow man!!!

I Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

Enough said …. Mike
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Msg#: 10106 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/04/89 22:16:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 8636 (Re: WAKE UP!)

Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

Isaiah 32:6 For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

Isaiah 32:7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

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Msg#: 10111 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/04/89 16:53:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 9672 (Re: STRYPER)

The Beach Boys are pass
ka

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Msg#: 10128 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/04/89 18:19:00
From: DAVE HORN
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 10111 (Re: STRYPER)

KA> Fie on you, I say…FIE!

Heh! Heh!

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Msg#: 10230 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/05/89 16:51:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: KEN ACTON (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6625 (Re: WAKE UP!)

Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

Isaiah 32:6 For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

Isaiah 32:7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

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Msg#: 10594 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/05/89 22:28:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 10230 (Re: WAKE UP!)

Strange Sojourner,

“Out of the mouths of babes most often comes cereal.”

John Wayne never called anybody “pilgrim” except in “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence.”

For the most part, The Monkees did not play their own instruments. What has this all to do with anything? Nothing…it is as irrelevant and nonsensical as your “exegesis.”

ka

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Msg#: 10598 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/05/89 23:01:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6008 (Re: STRYPER)

MS: “Enough said.”

Then shut up.

ka

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Msg#: 10601 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 06:18:00
From: DANIEL SEGARD
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 10594 (Re: WAKE UP!)

> Also, what are the rules and purpose of this echo?

. I think that the purpose of this echo is for users to discuss Christian Music which they happen to like. (But apparently not discuss music which they dislike.) Who are your favorite Christian groups these days? Get any new albums lately?

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Msg#: 11069 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 14:27:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: DAVE HORN
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6008 (Re: STRYPER)

Yeah, I can listen to almost any type of music, too. The only music I can’t stand is country-western.
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Msg#: 11070 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 14:30:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: NAME DELETED (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 11069 (Re: STRYPER)

Bro, that’s not my point!!! You don’t know ANYTHING about them! If you do, tell me how, I’d like to meet them too! Tell me how you know that they are sexually immoral or greeedy or any of the above!!!! — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 11072 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 14:48:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: CARLA WILLIAMS (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 11070 (Re: STRYPER)

Somehow I didn’t understand this….you say that if we believe that it is okay to imitate the things of this world how will we be able to recognise him? And then you say that he will be disguesed as an angel of light. These things are true and according to the Word. Well, if we “look like” the world and the anti-christ looks like an angel of light, then it should be easy, right????? — QuickBBS v2.04
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Msg#: 11073 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 14:52:00
From: STEVEN SCHRAM
To: ALL
Subj: MICHAEL W. SMITH

Does anyone have Michael W. Smith’s tour schedule?? I am looking forward to him coming to my area (Denver) soon because someone told me they thought he was coming this fall…. however I have not seen his concert on any of the scedules around town…. any help??
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Msg#: 11080 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 16:01:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6624 (Re: MATTHEW 4:10)

I almost forgot: as far as my talking to NAME DELETED, well, shucks, Ropes, where have you been? However, I do find it interesting that NAME DELETED accuses you of “false humility” since he is every bit as bad as you–and for the same reasons. No, NAME DELETED and I would not get along any better than you and I would; but it’s easy to see why you and he do not–you’re both too much alike. . As for my humility, well, I don’t claim any. I’m not really all that humble–but my theology does not require me to be as yours does. Your problems, other than your delusions, are your hypocrisy and your own selective adherence to your theology. You expect others to be humble, and yet you are one of the most arrogant people that I know–“agree with me or go to hell”–and you follow rules or break them as it suits you (such as cross-referencing between echos). You ask me what the rules of this echo are and you break them. You read me the riot act on the “Life’s Origin” echo and you break those rules, too, including those that you would have me follow. . Your claim to “true” Christianity is on thin ice.

ka

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Msg#: 11081 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 16:02:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 6625 (Re: WAKE UP!)

GR: “How about some real *Son*shine?”

Amazed yourself again, eh?

ka

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Msg#: 11082 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/06/89 16:04:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: GILBERT ROPER (Rcvd)
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 11081 (Re: WAKE UP!)

Since I believe what I had said to be absolutely true I am not in violation of Ex. 20:16. I have not seen any of these “dated” messages between you and Williams–certainly not since NAME DELETED read you the riot act back in April or so.

ka

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Msg#: 11103 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/07/89 04:40:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: MUSIC

GR> What are the rules and purpose of this echo?

  • I think that the purpose of this echo is for users
  • to discuss Christian Music which they happen to like.

If discussing Christian Music then certainly the subjects which are discussed in that music will be most welcome, right? Which from what I have heard has a great deal to do with the Old and New agreements.

  • (But apparently not discuss music which they dislike.)

Hmmm… That would appear next to impossible seeing that the doctrines found in the music of many groups are not always consistent with the doctrines found in the Word of God, right?

  • Who are your favorite Christian groups these days? Get
  • any new albums lately?

I have been listening to “Praise Seven”, “Praise Five”: (Don’t you know) It’s time to praise the Lord, “Scripture in Song” all by the Maranatha! Singers. “Holy, Holy, Holy” by 1986 Silver Bells Music. Morris Chapman with the Maranatha! Singers “Voice of Praise”.

“We bring the sacrafice of praise into the House of the Lord!”

Also, “Praise Nine”, “Psalms Alive 2”. These are all vocals, as for just music with no words, I listen to Tom Howards piano music and some guitar music by Phil Keaggy.

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Msg#: 11104 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/07/89 04:42:00
From: GILBERT ROPER
To: DANIEL SEGARD
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 11103 (MUSIC)

I have several of Petra’s tapes which have been encouraging and doctrinally refreshing. So far I have not seen any doctrinal error, however; should they forsake excellent doctrine I will forsake their new music. It is possible that a person be in the will of God and achieve the Lords will then fall away, so I see nothing wrong with listening to those songs which were written and sung while in the will of the Lord. I would appreciate any *sincere* thoughts on this. I’ll try an example:

King Solomon built the House of the Lord and latter in His life fell away and worshipped other gods (which are no gods). So did people stop offering sacrafices acceptable to God in the House which Solomon built?

1-Kings 6:14 So Solomon built the house, and finished it.

1-Kings 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the Lord commanded.

1-Corinthians 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

1-Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

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Msg#: 11569 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/07/89 09:33:19
From: CARLA WILLIAMS
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 11072 (Re: STRYPER)

Thanks Steve for replying. I am not sure if you werr agreeing with me or not. There was alot of discussion saying that it was okay for Stryper and anyone else for that matter to imitate the things of this world. My stance is that if we do not come out and be seperate as the Word so clearly commands us to we will not be able to recognise the Anit-christ when he comes. Others were saying that it was okay to dress and act like the world in the name of Jesus. My point was that Satan is very sly and he disguises himself as an angel of light. Let’s remember that he quoted scripture to JEsus and that not everyone that says “LORD, LORD” will enter the kingdom of heaven.

In Him, Carla
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Msg#: 11623 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/07/89 16:58:00
From: KEN ACTON
To: STEVEN SCHRAM
Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 11569 (Re: STRYPER)

How ’bout Anne Murray? Kenny Rogers?

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Msg#: 16095 *ROCK ON LINE*
08/19/89 01:50:23
From: DAVE GEAUVREAU
To: ALL
Subj: BILL BENNETT AND THE SON BBS

Hello Out There! I am trying to contact Bill Bennett who is the Sysop of The Son BBS in Wisconsin. He is in the process of moving and I have been phoning both his voice number and his BBS number and all I get is a steady ringing with no answer. The old numbers were (414)281-6497 voice and (414)771-5391 BBS, does anyone have his new number to be or can you leave a message to him for me to have him phone me at (604)478-0254 voice and he can phone collect and have him ask for Dave Geauvreau and if I am not here have him leave both of his two numbers so that I can contact him. I have some disks of info for him but do not want to send it to his old address, which is the only address that I have for him. Thank you very much to whoever can help me in this situation.

By the way I run The Christian BBS in Victoria, B.C., Canada, BBS: (604)478-2789 and Voice: (604)478-0254, and the board deals mostly with cults and heresy info. We have now 154.4+ megs of hard disk space so if anyone has studies on cults, heresies, doctrines, issues etc., revolving on the Christian Faith please feel free to send them to me on disk as it would be cheaper than uploading them. My mailing address is; The Christ The Christian BBS C/O Dave Geauvreau 3053 Metchosin Rd. Victoria, B.C., Canda V9B 4Y9

May the Lord shine His light even more fully apon us, Dave. — TBBS v2.1/NM
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