Quote from Forum Archives on July 21, 2022, 5:29 am

Posted by: prophetic <prophetic@...>

IS 'LEADERSHIP' the PROBLEM??
by Andrew Strom & Others

Over the years we have discussed many times the crisis that the
modern Western church seems to find itself in. Below are a
sampling of insightful replies from all over the world that I have
received on this topic-

JIM writes: 'There are many of us who are "loners", but not by
choice. I have been to many "churches" in my area looking for the
things you mention and believe me, it is not there. Talk about
apostasy, it is everywhere, along with a good deal of deception to
boot. I would appreciate knowing where one might find the type
of church that would make up a Body as described that I could
get involved with. It certainly doesn't seem to be any of the
mainstream churches, and I have tried many smaller unknown
ones too, and been even more disappointed....'

Several people also sent me a list of the types of leaders they
have found in their area, and asked me which of these they should
sit under? - (1) Non-Spirit-filled - no anointing, (2) Controlling,
(3) Casual about sin in the congregation, (4) High-handed and
domineering, (5) Never preaches on repentance or holiness,
(6) Word of Faith - Prosperity, (7) A lot of 'hype' but little love,
(8) Preaches endlessly on 'money' and tithing, etc, etc.

CHRISTINE wrote: "I can't even find one Holy Spirit led
church anywhere in my area. It's the same old saga every
place you go. Man-made agendas, programs that bore you
to sleep, obsession with money & growth, and who will boast the
loudest this Sunday about their ministries & gifts from God?

"This is the main reason things have come unglued. So many
good saints are tired & crushed by lukewarm, compromising
preachers and lack of order & accord in the body...We are hungry
for the right order as the Lord ordained, but the leaders are out of
order in MOST instances. Many of us have spent genuine time
before the Lord, not making waves, trying to be obedient to leaders
who are completely oblivious to the voice of the Lord... In many
places there is corruption you wouldn't believe, and I was in four
fellowships that were totally dismantled by the hand of God for
similar reasons in the past 15 years. We want to obey and commit
and follow the leaders earnestly, but given the choices we have,
we are sick and tired of trying. I think the shepherds need to go
back to Christianity 101 and start over. They need to repent and
re-commit to Christ before attempting to tend the sick and
scattering sheep.

"You can't just blame the saints in this situation. You must ask
yourself WHY? Why are the saints scattering, looking for greener
pastures? Because like the book of Amos said in ch. 8, "There
would be a famine in the land, one of hearing the word of the Lord."

"Right now I know many, many, on hold because we are caught
between a rock and a hard place.We have no sense of belonging
anywhere because of the intense hypocrisy and game playing...
We want so much to please the Lord, and have NO problem
submitting to leadership, but where are the men of God who are
supposed to LEAD THE SHEEP? I think someone needs to
address them first. We are disgusted with dead shepherds &
sermons. These people pleasing, non-offensive ministries are
draining the life out of the saints.... Where's the Holy Spirit? Give
us something to go to and be a part of... At this point, staying
home is better, at least we can seek the Lord without any pretense.

"Many of us have no intention of being deliberately rebellious. But
who would want to sit in a dead service led by self-centered
ministers who rub shoulders with others like them? If we could
find a Holy Spirit motivated Pastor and flow as the New Testament
church was intended to, we'd be there whenever the doors opened...
We are not against assembling together as long as it's according
to the Bible.

"If I hear one more person say, "there is no perfect church", I think
I'll scream! We aren't looking for a "perfect church." We are
looking to find CHRIST in the center again, and to become more
CHRIST-LIKE ourselves!!!

"What are we supposed to be a part of? Cake sales, yard sales,
watered down sermons, program after boring program, lectures
about giving more money and "a form of godliness denying the
power thereof?" This is happening all across the USA. The sheep
are going to be only as good as the shepherd who leads them... If
the leaders are playing games, what do you expect the sheep to
do? Some may be content to follow the crowd, but the Lord has
called others to Himself for a meaningful relationship with Him,
and the local churches aren't hearing the marching orders of the
Lord! The Lord does have a remnant who are seriously determined
to follow Christ and obey!"

JEFF writes: "I have been "Out-of-Church" for some time now, and
have been wanting to - and being led by the Lord to - have a house
church in my home. Recently I found a local expression of the
Body of Christ that is meeting in a home. Their entire purpose is to
have a home church, and raise up the men to be leaders, so that
eventually, THEIR home becomes a meeting place for a home church.

"While there is and are leaders, the emphasis is on each man
bringing something to the meeting. Instead of just one man being
the one who "brings the Word of the Lord".

"Just after a few weeks after "assembling together" with this group,
God had led other people to my family, and us to others, that will
soon be assembling in my home.

"The problem with sitting in a "traditional church"... is just that. The
men just SIT. The men are to be leading, or learning to, and
exercising leadership. If they just passively SIT, they are not doing
what God wants them to. In my opinion, they might as well be "Out-of-Church."

"God does not want MEN to SIT. He wants them to Lead. He wants
them to Lead their family, and He wants them to lead others to Christ.

"One big church, with one man doing the leading, does not allow
other men to grow into leadership. Small groups of men, (families)
afford each man the opportunity to be obedient to the Scripture:
1 Cor 14:26- "How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come
together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue,
has a revelation, has an interpretation...." (-NKJV).

"In our meetings, we always start off with a potluck dinner. Each
one brings something to eat.. and there is plenty for everyone. The
rest of the meeting is no different. Each man brings some spiritual
food to eat... and there is always plenty for everyone to be exhorted.

"Remember the REASON for assembling is to EXHORT ONE
ANOTHER. You go to bless them.. not to be blessed by them.
This requires you to bring something to the Body of Christ. This
has not changed since the time the Israelites were at the Mountain
of the Lord after they came out of Egypt.

"I encourage each one who reads this, to consider either joining a
home church in their area, or starting one...."

ANDREW again: Some real food for thought in each of these
comments above. This does indeed seem to be an enormous
crisis right across the Western world. We need REVIVAL and
great REFORMATION!

Special blessings to all,

Andrew Strom.